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Old 08-28-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Someone tell me again just why we want people in the country that have to pay $15,000 to a smuggler to get here? What are they going to do once they get here? Here's how I feel: if you can't legally get in then you don't need to be here. Fifteen-thousand dollars for a freaking smuggler. The smugglers, the undocumented people all need to be caught and processed.
!5,000 dollars would have paid their way into the US Legally.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:30 PM
 
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!5,000 dollars would have paid their way into the US Legally.
Not if he had no job skills or a criminal record.

The problem is people don't just walk over the border because the cartels control it, they own it, and the $15,000 is payment to the criminals.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Not if he had no job skills or a criminal record.

The problem is people don't just walk over the border because the cartels control it, they own it, and the $15,000 is payment to the criminals.
I'm aware of the drug cartels operations. I was just saying......
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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I'm aware of the drug cartels operations. I was just saying......
The Arizona governor was exactly right when she said most illegal crossing is about drugs. The cartels control the border and everyone and everything that gets across it.

They just rescued 812 soon to be illegals in that same area of Mexico that the 72 were killed. These people are so willing to break the laws of the USA, they can come up with $15,000 to pay criminal cartels. Then they are surprised wihen the cartels want more from them.

You don't get over the border illegally or with contraband of some kind unless a cartel has given you permission.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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Good Lord. Things are so out of control in Mexico it isn't even funny. Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil, Ecuador, Mexico and the US, all need to work together to squash (and imprison) the Zetas Cartel. Mexico can't handle this alone, nor should they be expected to.

That Cartel is an infection that's spreading to other countries and all of them need to step up to the plate and collectively work together to stop the problem.

Securing our borders is about more than just stopping illegal immigration. It's also important to secure the border for the following reasons:

A) Those that are illegally entering the US, while they do so of their own free will, are slave labor. Slavery is illegal and business owners that are engaging in this type of economic slavery need to be punished.

B) Illegal aliens in the US have family members in their home countries that are being kidnapped and held for ransom. If the US-residing illegal alien can't come up with the ransom money to pay the kidnappers their family member ends up being murdered.

C) Drug smugglers and human traffickers are making a living off of our insecure borders and are literally getting away with murder.

For the safety and well-being of everyone involved, we need to secure our damned borders!
Truly Mexico's problems with cartels is a UNITED NATIONS issue!
If the UN is so intent on human rights certainly Mexico is at the top of the list of human pain and terror.
I wonder how many here in the usa would join an army to SAVE Mexico and
fight to make it a safe and free nation? At the same time the usa would
allow self deportation once its safe to go home.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Anarchy the new Ruler of Mexico.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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Truly Mexico's problems with cartels is a UNITED NATIONS issue!
If the UN is so intent on human rights certainly Mexico is at the top of the list of human pain and terror.
I wonder how many here in the usa would join an army to SAVE Mexico and
fight to make it a safe and free nation? At the same time the usa would
allow self deportation once its safe to go home.
I think you may have misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't suggesting anything to do with the Army, or any Military branch for that matter.

What I am referring to is our border patrol, ICE, and our legal system. When we detain illegals here that have been trafficking drugs or human beings, we need to put them in prison. If we deport them, they just come right back over. It's a revolving door and there's no one there to stop them.

If we put up a large secure fence along the border and station both border patrol and armed military escort along the fence, it will cut down on a lot of the problem.

By securing our borders we help prevent deaths.

A) Immigrants wouldn't be so able to cross into this country illegally, risking their lives.

B) Thugs in the home country of the illegal would no longer have reason to kidnap family members of US-residing illegals if they're not able to sneak into this country anymore.

C) Criminal aliens wouldn't be able to come into this country so easily to murder, rape and rob (therefore saving the life of an American).

D) Drug traffickers wouldn't be able to deliver hard core drugs into this country (drugs kill).

E) Human traffickers wouldn't be able to smuggle illegals into the country anymore w/o risk of being caught and put in prison (therefore saving the life of an illegal).

There are only PROs involved in building the border fence. There are no CONs so I have a hard time understanding why our Govt. has been so lax with regard to completing the border fence and securing our border as a matter of national security.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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The Arizona governor was exactly right when she said most illegal crossing is about drugs. The cartels control the border and everyone and everything that gets across it.

They just rescued 812 soon to be illegals in that same area of Mexico that the 72 were killed. These people are so willing to break the laws of the USA, they can come up with $15,000 to pay criminal cartels. Then they are surprised wihen the cartels want more from them.

You don't get over the border illegally or with contraband of some kind unless a cartel has given you permission.
But of course ICE, under Obama's watch, is going to refuse to deport illegals until they commit violent crimes in the US.

STOP sanctioning defacto AMNESTY. Enforcing our laws IS the duty of law enforcement. ICE must not be allowed to ignore our laws to suit the political agenda of the leftist open borders and Obama, period.

Congressional hearings need to be held on this one.
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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But of course ICE, under Obama's watch, is going to refuse to deport illegals until they commit violent crimes in the US.

STOP sanctioning defacto AMNESTY. Enforcing our laws IS the duty of law enforcement. ICE must not be allowed to ignore our laws to suit the political agenda of the leftist open borders and Obama, period.
So the big question is WHY?

Why has this invasion-like situation been permitted to become so bad?

Why is this invasion-like situation being tolerated (even encouraged)?

Why do the feds persist in thwarting all efforts to halt the flow of the criminal invaders and only make token efforts to remove them?

The obvious answer is MONEY... whether it's straight out bribes and kickbacks or the cleaner looking "campaign donations", too many people are getting are getting big bucks outta this shameful situation.

So what do we do? It is abundantly clear that the feds will continue to contemptuously ignore the voices of the people despite all the petitions, faxes, letters and phone calls which have been made by the people.

I'm at the point where I think we should make citizen's arrests of illegals, and their anchor-spawn, round them up, ship 'em across the border and then demand a bounty!

Perhaps cooler heads with more legal knowledge than I have will be able to come up with better solutions....all I know is that SOMETHING has to be done NOW!
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