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Old 09-01-2010, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Huh? If someone hasn't been charged, how can he be tried?

"It comes amid a push by ICE to focus on illegal immigrants who have committed crimes, rather than seek to deport all illegal immigrants. Officials say the shift is needed to reduce massive clogs in the nation's immigration courts ó where detainees wait for months or years before their cases are decided ó and to use deportation as a tool for public safety."
They were "charged" with being in this country illegally, and were scheduled for deportation hearings. Then, voila! -- all of their cases were dismissed.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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They were "charged" with being in this country illegally, and were scheduled for deportation hearings. Then, voila! -- all of their cases were dismissed.
You were complaining: what if someone had committed a violent crime. I asked, if he hasnt been charged with a violent crime, how can he be tried for it, much less convicted?
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Exactly! That would be like not prosecuting American petty thieves because the law needs to go after bank robbers instead. All criminals need to be prosecuted regardless of the seriousness of the crime. In fact in all fairness we should demand that our American petty thieves and other non-violent criminals be left alone.
Likewise, we need to release all non-violent citizen convicts.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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You were complaining: what if someone had committed a violent crime. I asked, if he hasnt been charged with a violent crime, how can he be tried for it, much less convicted?
We also have citizen murderers and rapists yet to be charged. Should the police refuse to pursue them? Surely you realize all violent criminals have not been charged with a crime. We have no idea how many unsolved crimes have been committed by illegal aliens. If they are here illegally, either deport them, or throw them in jail. But, we simply canít assume they are not a threat.
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:46 PM
 
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Will you'all go to the bank with me? If all of you steal 2 million each & I only steal 1..... I get to go free, right??? Plus, I'll get to keep my freebie cool mill... Lesser crime= freedom
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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Illegal immigration down dramatically - Washington Times

thats my source, wheres yours?
the number is 11 million.

the answer to your first question... the same reason inmates in LA county jail serve about 15 percent of their time. limited resources.

they are still criminals. charged and convicted of a crime (i.e. DUI, theft)that requires a minimum sentence. they get out of jail early. why? to make room for the killers and more serious offenders.

limited resources. thats it.
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But once an illegal alien is caught at a checkpoint why shouldn't they be deported asap regardless of whether or not they are a dangerous criminal? I mean they are here in violation of our immigration laws so why release them back into our society? How difficult would it be to process the paperwork quickly and deport them quickly so they aren't detained long in our custody?

You would be wrong about your 11 million number also. Most reliable sources including BP stats claim that there is more like 20-30 million illegals here so an 8% decrease would still mean that there are many more still here besides 11 million. Add to that the number of anchor babies and overall our population has increased immensely directly through the act of illegal immigration.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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shall we treat all criminals as such. even petty theives? after all im sure they will graduate to murder in no time.

the law does not work that way. immigration law does not work that way either.


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The assumption being, that only those apprehended for violent crimes are violent criminals. If we wait until after an illegal has committed a violent crime, how many women/children will be raped, and how many lives will be lost? If they are here illegally, they should be deported, period.

Our immigration laws do not distinguish between violent and non-violent illegal aliens. Thus, the Feds are guilty of dereliction of duty by refusing to apprehend so-called non-violent illegals.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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they are not releasing violent criminals.

those stay within whatever jurisdiction aprehended them.

an illegal[#1] kills someone in CA. he goes to jail in CA. serves his sentence, gets turned over to the feds for detention and deportation. he will NEVER be eligible for citizenship. away he goes.

an illegal [#2] gets caught up in a work raid. he goes to jail, is determined to be an illegal without any priors, he gets handed over to the feds. where it is determined that he might be eligible for citizenship. he is temporarily let out to make room to hold the illegal alien killer, #1.

they arent letting killers loose.

my concern is how do we track those people who are out pending a court case?

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If they dismiss the cases of 17,000 without a hearing, how do they know they arenít releasing someone guilty of committing a violent crime?
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Signs in Arizona warn of smuggler dangers

Drivers advised to travel north



By Jerry Seper and Matthew Cella
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The Washington Times
Tuesday, August 31, 2010

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The federal government has posted signs along a major interstate highway in Arizona, more than 100 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border, warning travelers the area is unsafe because of drug and alien smugglers, and a local sheriff says Mexican drug cartels now control some parts of the state.
This would constitute an absolute failure of the federal government to uphold its agreement to protect any part of the federal republic which constitutes the validity of the U.S. Government. It is absolutely a valid reason to charge the HMFIC (aka POTUS) with refusal to uphold the oath he took at his inauguration.

I would support impeachment proceedings to begin today.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Illegal immigration down dramatically - Washington Times

thats my source, wheres yours?
the number is 11 million.

the answer to your first question... the same reason inmates in LA county jail serve about 15 percent of their time. limited resources.

they are still criminals. charged and convicted of a crime (i.e. DUI, theft)that requires a minimum sentence. they get out of jail early. why? to make room for the killers and more serious offenders.

limited resources. thats it.
Are you saying that the illegal migrants use up our limited social service resources in emergency health care, free education and free food stamps for their children? Is this why the inmates are being furloughed early?

And if so, should these criminals send their thank-you card to the illegal migrants or Obama?
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