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Old 09-09-2010, 08:01 PM
 
Location: California
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garbage analogy.

there was no recipricol relation between the feeder and the birds, whereas in the US there is a recipricol relation between the US and illegals (low wage labor).

people are not like birds.
people actually work.

garbage analogy.
make the birds handy men, or janitors and factory workers, then maybe the analogy might work...
Yes good idea, but do it in thier own frickin country
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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see again you have to see the bigger picture,
as an american, you are using
clothes, gadgets, cars, from around the world at a slave wage price.

and you cannot renounce saying they were corrupt when you clearly participated in americas consuming habits

thats why this backlash that is occuring right now, you have to see it as and adjusting of trading, america cannot support its consumer habits,
all of the ones renouncing illegal immigration are clearly justify when it comes to sharing resources during hard times.

what I keep mentioning is that you as a concumer have enjoy a lifestyle that a lot of the workers do not have, their goverments CHOOSE TO do it that way to attract investments, jobs, technology because in the long run they new that in some years they were going to posses it and help its citizens in the long run not the short cut.

can you guess what cut we choose?

thats why I am trying to tell everybody, when they complain about illegal immigration when they have 50 million mexican workers making clothes, cars, computers, televisions for american companies at 2 dollars an hour.

and I can assure you that if you paid the mexicans the minimum wage
mexico would be a more stable place and a better investment in education to have a better educated labor force. A lot of people talk about how much illegals cost in arizona, georgia, california, etc etc,

and to a lot of you they come short supplying more revenue than they are spending in their social costs, but if youre logical, HOW MANY AMERICANS are living a better life because of products from those countries.

I know that in your mind, you have a mentality of saying WE CAN DO IT AND EMPLOY AMERICANS..

THATS A REASON i PUT MICROSOFT AND ITS PRODUCT XBO360 AS AN EXAMPLE.

could you imagine

Microsoft Xbox 360 sales top 30 million, Xbox Live accounts cross 20 million | VentureBeat

30 million consoles around the world, COULD YOU IMAGINE IF AMERICANS WERE PRODUCIN IT? instead of 30 million sales it woul be more like 4 million or something it would be unreacheble for the masses

another point companies when they benefit from cheap labor, have enough profits to keep producing the gadgets of tomorrow,

you and the rest keep saying that they are corrupt, NO THEIR CAPITALIST.
AND THE ILLEGALS ARE A SOURCE OF CHEAP SERVICES FOR THE RICH AMERICANS....

THE PROBLEM is the 20 percent of americas rich. you have to solve the problem of how to tell them to spend their money on you instead of spending it to themselves

and that my friend is SOCIALIST
As usual, your skipping the main point to all of this.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: texas
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As usual, your skipping the main point to all of this.
whats the main point?
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: texas
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As usual, your skipping the main point to all of this.
look I get your frustration,

the simple solution, employers get fined for hiring illegals and problems solved.

try skipping that point if you could grasp that answer there would not even be an illegal immigrant issue.

but never mind, america exploits, illegals take bread crumbs and you blame illegals...

go to the head of the problem.....thats all I am saying.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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look I get your frustration,

the simple solution, employers get fined for hiring illegals and problems solved.

try skipping that point if you could grasp that answer there would not even be an illegal immigrant issue.

but never mind, america exploits, illegals take bread crumbs and you blame illegals...

go to the head of the problem.....thats all I am saying.
If only that WAS the only thing you have been rambling about post after post. We can read, you know.

We have always blamed the employers and our government. THEY are the exploiters, not us. But we also blame their accomplices the illegals themselves. You choose to only blame the former but not the latter.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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George Borjas, a Harvard economist, noted that the average American household wealth increased 1% due to illegal immigration. His main point? Illegal immigration essentially does not have a net effect on the economy. The net positives (cheap,willing labor and increased number of consumers) cancels out the net negatives (less tax revenue per person and a higher than average usage of government programs). Really, the bigger questions regarding economic impact and even the future of American society have nothing to do with illegal immigration.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:51 PM
 
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With that said, shouldn't we make policies that are in the best interests of Americans? Like having immigrants come to our nation is a good thing. They do assimilate. Even illegal immigrants assimilate. So if we want reform, we should take both narratives into consideration to have a policy that will be good for America.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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George Borjas, a Harvard economist, noted that the average American household wealth increased 1% due to illegal immigration. His main point? Illegal immigration essentially does not have a net effect on the economy. The net positives (cheap,willing labor and increased number of consumers) cancels out the net negatives (less tax revenue per person and a higher than average usage of government programs). Really, the bigger questions regarding economic impact and even the future of American society have nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Try reading the numerous stats in here to the contrary. It doesn't matter anyway as we are a nation of laws and we have immigration quotas for good reasons and they have all been mentioned in here numerous times also. Common sense and logic are other things that come into play on this issue.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:21 PM
 
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Try reading the numerous stats in here to the contrary. It doesn't matter anyway as we are a nation of laws and we have immigration quotas for good reasons and they have all been mentioned in here numerous times also. Common sense and logic are other things that come into play on this issue.
I have. I've also read what leading economists from universities like INSEAD, the London School of Economics, Stanford, and Harvard have stated. I've also read what Pew Hispanic and FAIR have stated. I mean logically there aren't other things that play on this issue. Esp. when comparing the economic burden.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:28 PM
 
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I have. I've also read what leading economists from universities like INSEAD, the London School of Economics, Stanford, and Harvard have stated. I've also read what Pew Hispanic and FAIR have stated. I mean logically there aren't other things that play on this issue. Esp. when comparing the economic burden.
Well you got one thing right. Illegal immigration is a burden to most Americans in this country. Couldn't argue with the rule of law though, could you? Really that is all that matters anyway.
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