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Old 09-17-2010, 05:50 PM
 
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Someone needs to practice what he preaches..
You're right...you do need to practice what you preach. Also, learn to read.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: California
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You're right...you do need to practice what you preach. Also, learn to read.
Your just getting more and more upset aren't you. I have a bachelor's and a master's so please young man go find another cause, you lose here kiddo.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:21 PM
 
Location: California
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1) Then you're an idiot. If you think that being slightly left is bad. You're an idiot. Point blank. There are many policies that you benefit because of liberal ideals. Democracy being most notable. The term liberal came out the same era of our founding fathers. They were the liberals of their day.

2) You're a bigger idiot than I thought. Community college doesn't hand out four year degrees. And you still are on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars to complete your bachelors. The cost of college has risen WAY faster than inflation and the cost of living (3 times faster). The arguments of "I paid my way..." are getting rarer and rarer since it it's more and more expensive. This recession isn't helping families. For example I paid $10,000 less for my degree than a person who will graduate 3 years after me. It's absurd.

3) I'm not the one arguing that college is attainable contrary to what nearly everyone agrees. Yes, people on the right even concede that college is too expensive. Educational attainment is not a partisan issue.

4) You brought up the whole argument. I simply stated that education is a right and college shouldn't be that unattainable.

5) You're words were essentially that. Not verbatim, but you argued that having more degrees saturates the market. This was when you argued that college shouldn't be made more attainable.

I think you're the last person to talk about logic.
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We can be mature and not call names, correct? I would like to continue to do so.
Let me know when you become "Mature"
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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Your just getting more and more upset aren't you. I have a bachelor's and a master's so please young man go find another cause, you lose here kiddo.
Are you kidding? Not upset. Entertained. I'm more entertained by you. It's like when a cat plays with a mouse. The cat is really intrigued at what the mouse will do next. Extremists amuse me. Their laughable ideas amuse me. What I do is show my friends some of the most inane comments and they, sometimes, show their classes that they TA (UCI, UCLA, Berkeley, USC, various high schools). It amuses them that people have such point of views.

Keep up the good work.
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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Let me know when you become "Mature"
Almost ironic you post this. Not quite, but kind of in the same way the song "Ironic" wasn't truly ironic. My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Almost ironic you post this. Not quite, but kind of in the same way the song "Ironic" wasn't truly ironic. My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
Kid you have no point. And did you show all your friends how you never answer questions. Bet not. I love this. Perhaps you can email that girl who dumped you who goes to Berkely. LMFAO grow up kid.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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Kid you have no point. And did you show all your friends how you never answer questions. Bet not. I love this. Perhaps you can email that girl who dumped you who goes to Berkely. LMFAO grow up kid.
I show your nonsensical questions, your pettiness, your lack of logic, your umbrage at facts, your emotionality, your attempts at wit, your fallacies, your praise of ignorance...the list goes on.
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Old 09-18-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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I really want people to give me evidence that America is headed in the wrong direction by illegal immigrants and their supporters.
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Pew Hispanic is the most reliable that we have. The Pew Charitable Trusts are highly reputable. In fact, many anti-illegal arguments can, and have, been from information from the Pew Hispanic Center. For example 46% of illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. Or that illegals are on welfare doles (brought to you by Pew Hispanic Center). It's a really objective organization.
Your own post seems to answer your own question.
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Old 09-18-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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Your own post seems to answer your own question.
So should we implement deportation measures to decrease the discrepancies or should we try to increase revenue?
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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I really want people to give me evidence that America is headed in the wrong direction by illegal immigrants and their supporters. Also please post if you are a tea party member or not. I want to write a series of blogs chronicling this divisive political climate (tea party members, Obama supporters, anti-illegal proponents, etc.).

So thanks in advance for your help on this.

48 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to legal and illegal aliens each year.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters7fd8 (broken link)

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Center for Immigration Studies

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Center for Immigration Studies

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (broken link)

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
CNN.com - Transcripts

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html (broken link)

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report:A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border http://www.house.gov/sites/members/t...der-Report.pdf

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. $25 billion in remittances back into Mexico as a result of exporting poverty and low skill labor into the United States, 25 to $45 billion a year taken into Mexico as a result of the illicit drug trade into the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...02/ldt.01.html (broken link)

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States".
Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D. - Criminal Profiler : Crime & Terrorism investigation resources

15. Every day 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien. Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens and 8 American Children are victims of a sex crime committed by an illegal alien each and every day!
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/heari...0505_bite.html (broken link)

16. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates. These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters0b9c (broken link)

17. "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine". "Many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American Medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue and Chagas disease.." The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons - Vol. 10 No. 1

18. In 2002, HIV/AIDS was the third leading cause of death among Hispanic men aged 35 to 44 and the fourth leading cause of death among Hispanic women in the same age group. Most Hispanic men were exposed to HIV through sexual contact with other men. Source (CDC): http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/hispanics/res...s/hispanic.htm (broken link)

19. If enacted the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years - fully one-third of the current population of the United States.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...t-Twenty-Years

20. In 2007, legal and illegal aliens cost the federal government more than $346 BILLION dollars and the U.S. taxpayers paid more than $ 9,000. for each immigrant in the country!
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

21. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people estimated by the Census Bureau. 1/3/05
http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal...nderground.pdf (broken link)

22. Cases of Leprosy on The Rise In The U.S., The New York Times. "While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy.." Leprosy is an airbourne virus, it can also be spread by touching and coughing.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...i?ArtNum=78621 (broken link)

23. Two-thirds of illegal aliens lack a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, nto their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

24. America Welcomes Illegal's Contagious Disease.
America Welcomes Illegals' Contagious Diseases

25. Mexico is the 4th Richest Oil Nation in the World.
Mexico's ex-president Lopez Portillo dies

26. The United Nations list Mexico as the number one center for the supply of young children to international pedophile organizations. Mexico - Facts on Trafficking and Prostitution

27. An illegal alien parent receives welfare benefits on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. regardless of the parentʼs immigration status may receive welfare and other benefits. When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the childʼs family. SOURCE: Illegal Aliens Extent of Welfare Benefits, Page 1. http://www.gao..gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

28. In fiscal year 1995, about $1.1 billion in AFDC and Food Stamp benefits were provided to household with an illegal alien parent.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

29. U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion. It's reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-102115-6766r/ (broken link)

30. The illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits each year. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year. If the lower figure of 12 million illegal aliens is used for estimation purposes, the total tax burden translates to $2.2 trillion.
$2.2 trillion illegal alien taxpayer sticker shock

31. Department of Justice, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Department of Homeland Security spent $20 million or more in 2008 to litigate deportation orders for illegal aliens. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/18/justice-department-fail-enforce-deportation-orders/ (broken link)

32. In 2007, DHS apprehended nearly 961,000 foreign nationals. Nearly 89 percent were natives of Mexico.
The leading countries of origin of those removed were Mexico. DHS removed 99,900 known criminal aliens from the United States." Immigration Enforcement Actions: 2007 http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ment_ar_07.pdf Or DHS 2007 Immigration Enforcement Actions | Homeland Security Digital Library Blog

33. Based on studies by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Heritage Foundation, households headed by less-educated illegal aliens use $40 billion more in public services each year than they pay in taxes.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...09/ldt.01.html (broken link)

34. In 2008 report by the Department of Justice indicated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations now operate in 195 cities in the United States. Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) Text of Legislation

35. In 2008 National Drug Threat Assessment by the Department of Justice identified drug organizations from Mexico as the greatest criminal threat to the United States. Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) Text of Legislation

36. The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
United States Code: Title 8,1101. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

37. Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: January 2009
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2009.pdf

38. "The Pew Hispanic Center study from February 2009 found that even though Hispanics make up 13 percent of the adult population, they accounted for 40 percent of sentenced federal offenders in 2007." FOXNews.com - Border States Deal With More Illegal Immigrant Crime Than Most, Data Suggest

39. Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement, the cost of amnesty: $999 billion. The cost of attrition by enforcement: as little as $14 billion. Amnesty would cost up to 70 times as much as enforcing existing law. Source: The Heritage Foundation
Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

40. A collection of news paper stories of crimes committed by illegal aliens gathered by a group of patriots.
The illegal alien crime wave thread

41. Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer....pdf?docID=101

42. Phoenix, Az, has become the kidnapping capital of the United States, because of illegal immigration and human smuggling, according to the head of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association.
Official: Phoenix New Kidnapping Capital Of U.S. - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix

43. If current trends continue, the population of the United States will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and 82% of the increase will be due to immigrants. The non-Hispanic white population will increase more slowly than other racial and ethnic groups; whites will become a minority (47%) by 2050.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/85.pdf

44. In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003. Hispanics: A Statistical Portrait (http://www.amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html - broken link)

45. "For most lawmakers, DWI stands for “driving while intoxicated.” For Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), DWI stands for “driving while illegal. He also said, that illegal immigrants were intentionally causing car accidents along state freeways." http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/20/2010-04-20_john_mccain_illegal_immigrants_are_intentionall (broken link) y_causing_car_accidents.html

46. Crossing of Border Threaten preserve, By Mary Jo Pitzl, The Arizona Republic, October 16, 2004 (On illegal alien crossing) "which imperils the habitat for the more than 300 species of animals and the nearly 400 plant types within the refuge."
Desert Invasion US - July through December 2004 Articles on destruction of border forests and border deserts

47. The twenty-four border counties along the line with Mexico are home to some of the largest undeclared garbage dumps in the United States. Millions of illegal aliens have left thousands of tons in trash behind scattered across the deserts and mountains of New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and California. Illegal Immigration continues. Environment suffers for it. - San Diego immigration policy | Examiner.com

48. The illegal aliens are endangering both rare wildlife and plant species as well as the pristine lands of the southwestern United States with the thousands of vehicles and tons of garbage they abandon.
'Obama policies fail to protect pristine lands'



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