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Old 09-06-2010, 02:37 AM
 
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I think we are arguing general against specific. It's probably just the difference in the way our minds work.

I understand your general point, but even that goes into the idea of being able to define art. Who defines what art is?

What I'm saying is that in this case the app is helping to save lives, so why is that something that we should be against?
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Old 09-06-2010, 02:43 AM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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Art is defined as something of great beauty that moves one's soul, imagination, or moves one to deep thought and inspiration.

I don't see how a mobile phone app that instructs illegal aliens where to find water, even comes close to being defined as art.

I am not against anything that saves lives. That's not what I said, not even close.

What I am against is the misappropriation of taxpayer dollars to support persons that are illegally entering this country when they should not be here in the first place.

There are enough incentives put forward by businesses and government that encourages this invasion and now we have educational institutions embarking on that same road too. It's just wrong.

I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would be supportive of taxpayer money being squandered during a time when our nation is struggling to survive.

THAT'S what p*sses me off!
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Old 09-06-2010, 02:48 AM
 
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Art is defined as something of great beauty that moves one's soul, imagination, or moves one to deep thought and inspiration.

I don't see how a mobile phone app that instructs illegal aliens where to find water, even comes close to being defined as art.

I am not against anything that saves lives. That's not what I said, not even close.

What I am against is the misappropriation of taxpayer dollars to support persons that are illegally entering this country when they should not be here in the first place.

There are enough incentives put forward by businesses and government that encourages this invasion and now we have educational institutions embarking on that same road too. It's just wrong.

I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would be supportive of taxpayer money being squandered during a time when our nation is struggling to survive.

THAT'S what p*sses me off!
There are some that would say that if an artist calls something art it becomes it. I don't know if I agree with that, but that is one way of thinking about art. Certainly art doesn't have to be beautiful to evoke our feelings. I could call me typing this post art, if I wanted to. Again this goes back to whomever decided that this project was art. What's done is done though.

I think we just have different priorities as far as money spending goes, but I can see where you are coming from.

What are the incentives that support the invasion and what educational institutions are supporting these ideas? I don't get that part of your post.
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Old 09-06-2010, 02:56 AM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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What are the incentives that support the invasion [...]
The incentives that support the invasion are:
- Companies that are willing to hire illegal aliens
- Govt. that allows illegal aliens to receive welfare, food stamps, free medical care, free housing, and free education for their anchors

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[...] and what educational institutions are supporting these ideas?
- UC San Diego for one. They didn't even blink, just handed the Professor the grant money to use on something NOT related to Art, and something that's NOT going to be used within the college as an educational tool. All at taxpayers expense.

Anyone in their right mind would have a problem with this.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:13 AM
 
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I already said I thought that companies should change their policies.

We disagree about the meaning of the word art and the usage of the word anchor.

Here's a link about welfare: Cost of Illegal Immigrants | FactCheck.org

I don't know where you are getting the free health care and housing from. I don't know anyone that gets either of those for free legal or illegal.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:24 AM
 
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I don't know where you are getting the free health care and housing from. I don't know anyone that gets either of those for free legal or illegal.
There are plenty of illegal aliens getting free health care and free housing all over this country. It's a known fact.

Section 8 is free housing. Deny that?
Medicaid is free health care. Deny that?

BOTH are FREELY given to illegal aliens.

I don't need to view cost of illegals at fact check. There are more reputable places to view such data, such a NumbersUSA and Pew Hispanic Research Center.

But, I digress. We're moving away from the topic of this thread into unrelated areas.

The topic of this thread is the Professor's willful misappropriation of taxpayer funded grants to develop an app that will not be used in the college, is not related to art (his subject) and it's being used to facilitate those that are breaking our laws by entering this country illegally.

Why should taxpayer dollars be used to fund such projects? It's absurd.
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:18 AM
 
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Yes, I deny both the idea of section 8 being free and Medicaid being free when both are not. They are both low-income programs. You still have to pay a co-pay or portion of the rent.

You can deny that he is producing art and I can disagree with you.

Clearly we disagree about the utility of such a program.

I think we are at an impasse.
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:32 AM
 
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You don't have to pay anything if you're unable to. If you earn below $12K a year, you pay ZERO. Therefore, it is FREE and illegals take advantage of said programs.

However, this is completely off the topic of this thread. If you'd like to start a new thread to discuss THAT, then please do.

In this thread we're discussing the professor that misused grant money to fund a project that is not going to be used as an educational tool at the college, nor does it fall within the traditional definition of art.

Disagree all you want. The facts speak for themselves, and rather loudly, I might add.
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Old 09-06-2010, 07:07 AM
 
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You don't have to pay anything if you're unable to. If you earn below $12K a year, you pay ZERO. Therefore, it is FREE and illegals take advantage of said programs.

However, this is completely off the topic of this thread. If you'd like to start a new thread to discuss THAT, then please do.

In this thread we're discussing the professor that misused grant money to fund a project that is not going to be used as an educational tool at the college, nor does it fall within the traditional definition of art.

Disagree all you want. The facts speak for themselves, and rather loudly, I might add.

If this professor wants to use his salary, that's fine. If he uses taxpayer money he should be kicked out. He is using illegal means to support illegal aliens.

I can't afford a phone like that, and these criminals get one free, to invade my country. That professor is a traitor. He should be locked up. Then he can see the art in JAIL!
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Old 09-06-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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Life-saving aspects aside, this professor has used tax funds to aid and abet illegal entry. Furthermore, this GPS device was not exclusively designed to locate water. It also maps the route. He has essentially used technology to replace the “how-to” handbooks previously issued by the Mexican government to assist its citizens in violating our laws.

Illegal border crossers make a conscious decision to risk their lives; and U.S. taxpayers are not responsible for ensuring their safety. Should we also offer armed escorts to protect them from dangerous drug cartels?
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