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Old 09-07-2010, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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And the birthright citizenship for those with only one Legal and one illegal parent should be
temperary or renewable every 10 years until the age of 18.
If the anchor baby is raised to be unAmerican,or they don't meet requirements, their citizenship should not be renewed or they're denied full citizenship.

Which is NO different to what the other poster is proposing. You're either a natural born citizen by birthright or you're not. "Citizenship until 18" with conditions because ONE parent is illegal is no different than making them just legal permanent residents and is unworkable and absurd.


The whole discussion regarding the 14th is to re-interpret it to adhere to the original intention which would mean babies born here to illegals or tourists would NOT have the right of citizenship by birth - I don't know WHY some are now wafting off into the realms of fairy land with questions of what shall we do with legally born citizens of citizens/legal residents.

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Old 09-07-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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this is small change compared to the CA medical deficit mostly caused by immigrants. approximately equal to our state budget deficit. CA is rapidly becoming a welfare state.
Source? - These number are routinely lied about and misstated.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Which is NO different to what the other poster is proposing. You're either a natural born citizen by birthright or you're not. "Citizenship until 18" with conditions because ONE parent is illegal is no different than making them just legal permanent residents and is unworkable and absurd.


The whole discussion regarding the 14th is to re-interpret it to adhere to the the original meaning which would mean babies born here to illegals or tourists would NOT have the right of citizenship by birth - I don't know WHY some are now wafting off into the realms of fairy land with questions of what shall we do with legally born citizens of citizens/legal residents.
Sorry but the meaning of the fourteenth is well established in the courts. The "fairy tale" is those who can't deal with this.

If we decide to change our birthright citizenship to something else we might as well do it right and restrict citizenship to those equipped to carry its weight.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Source? - These number are routinely lied about and misstated.
Illegal Aliens in Los Angeles County Cost Taxpayers 3 Billion Dollars Annually An Angeleno's View of the World

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep...lfare-20100906

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Old 09-07-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Sorry but both of those deal more with american citizens and less with illegals.

That is what I mean about misstating the facts.

And note that even if they were true they would not lead to any number any where near the CA deficit.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Link please.
You want a link to the fact that they were not naturalized?
I might ask the same for every illegal in the country

The Mormon Community in Chihuahua left asx a group and are still in Chihuahua
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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this is small change compared to the CA medical deficit mostly caused by immigrants. approximately equal to our state budget deficit. CA is rapidly becoming a welfare state.
Californias deficit is caused by the FED keeping interest rates artificially low to protect the parasites on Wall Street. If interest rates were 5% CALPERS would be solvent and the deficit gone. But it is easier to scapegoat illegals so proceed
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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It's no wonder why California is going down the toilet. This state is the floater circling the bowl.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Californias deficit is caused by the FED keeping interest rates artificially low to protect the parasites on Wall Street. If interest rates were 5% CALPERS would be solvent and the deficit gone. But it is easier to scapegoat illegals so proceed
If they don't want to be "scapegoated" as you put it, they're free to leave.
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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It's no wonder why California is going down the toilet. This state is the floater circling the bowl.
Still better than about 40 other states It's still in my top 5
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