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Old 09-08-2010, 12:17 AM
 
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and another thing do poor have a right to choose? when the capitalist is telling them either you want it or not?

thats why their children grow up with hatred because their love ones, were or are treated like animals, without opportunities.

but dont worry thats why the third world is collapsing our system..
their spoiling us from the inside out.

have you seen the imports exports?

how are you or america going to change that? the only hope is do what everybody country does when it cant solve its balance of payments.

just like russia did in th 90's, mexico in the 95, colombia, thailand, and much more examples....

those poor are adjusted living in misery the only ones screaming bloddy murder is us......and our screaming aint going to stop to it balances at 2 dollars an hour . mark my words
But don't you see? The whole concept of capitalism vs socialism (that you're putting forth) is a major cultural barrier that exists between most Americans and the illegal migrants that come here from Mexico and other Latin American nations. Illegal migrants from those countries expect social services to be handed to them. They believe in entitlements that most Americans (up until recently) did not.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:33 AM
 
Location: texas
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It's not that it's tough luck and that we laugh at others for being poor, it's that it is perfectly right to profit from what you do as long as you do not cheat, steal or withhold what you've agreed to pay. Actually, capitalism IS founded upon the Christian faith and it's spiritual principals.

Here read this:

Luk 19:26 "I tell you, that to everyone who has shall more be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.

Now obviously, the above quote is dealing with Spiritual gifts such as faith, charity, and other fruits of the Spirit, but the spiritual principal also applies to financial wealth. There is nothing wrong with being profitable or even paying one wage worker more generously than another if the employer and the worker stipulate thereto.

Read this:

Mat 20:2 "And when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mat 20:3 "And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place;
Mat 20:4 and to those he said, 'You too go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' And so they went.
Mat 20:5 "Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing.
Mat 20:6 "And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing; and he *said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day long?'
Mat 20:7 "They *said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He *said to them, 'You too go into the vineyard.'
Mat 20:8 "And when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard *said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last group to the first.'
Mat 20:9 "And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each one received a denarius.
Mat 20:10 "And when those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; and they also received each one a denarius.
Mat 20:11 "And when they received it, they grumbled at the landowner,
Mat 20:12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.'
Mat 20:13 "But he answered and said to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius?
Mat 20:14 'Take what is yours and go your way, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
Mat 20:15 'Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?'

Anyway, this is going off topic, but you did raise some interesting points that needed a response.

and I am glad you put all those bible verses then ill put mine

Ps. 10:3 - "the greedy man curses and spurns God"
Prov. 11:6 - "the treacherous are caught by their own greed"
Eph. 4:9 - "Gentiles...practice every kind of impurity with greediness"
II Peter 2:3 - (false prophets) "in their greed they will exploit you with false words"
Lk. 3:14 - "be content with your wages"
I Tim. 6:8 - "food and covering, with these we shall be content"
PSA 119:36 Turn my heart toward your statutes and not toward
selfish gain.

PRO 18:1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends; he defies all
sound judgment.
PRO 28:22 A stingy man is eager to get rich and is unaware that
poverty awaits him. MY FAVORITE.

PRO 29:4 By justice a king gives a country stability, but one
who is greedy for bribes tears it down.
EZE 16:27 So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced
your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the
daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd
conduct.

HAB 2:5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at
rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is
never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes
captive all the peoples.

MAT 23:25 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside
they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

LUK 12:15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard
against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions."

1CO 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate
with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral
or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
With such a man do not even eat.
1CO 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers
nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

EPH 5:5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or
greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in
the kingdom of Christ and of God.


PHI 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but
in humility consider others better than yourselves.


BROTHER I COULD READ ON AND ON.......the bible is interpret at the
interpreters will...your version is donalds trump.
I READ THE BOOK AS WELL.

AND I AM GLAD youre still sticking to the subject.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:42 AM
 
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and I am glad you put all those bible verses then ill put mine

Ps. 10:3 - "the greedy man curses and spurns God"
Prov. 11:6 - "the treacherous are caught by their own greed"
Eph. 4:9 - "Gentiles...practice every kind of impurity with greediness"
II Peter 2:3 - (false prophets) "in their greed they will exploit you with false words"
Lk. 3:14 - "be content with your wages"
I Tim. 6:8 - "food and covering, with these we shall be content"
PSA 119:36 Turn my heart toward your statutes and not toward
selfish gain.

PRO 18:1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends; he defies all
sound judgment.
PRO 28:22 A stingy man is eager to get rich and is unaware that
poverty awaits him. MY FAVORITE.

PRO 29:4 By justice a king gives a country stability, but one
who is greedy for bribes tears it down.
EZE 16:27 So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced
your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the
daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd
conduct.

HAB 2:5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at
rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is
never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes
captive all the peoples.

MAT 23:25 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside
they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

LUK 12:15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard
against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions."

1CO 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate
with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral
or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
With such a man do not even eat.
1CO 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers
nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

EPH 5:5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or
greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in
the kingdom of Christ and of God.


PHI 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but
in humility consider others better than yourselves.


BROTHER I COULD READ ON AND ON.......the bible is interpret at the
interpreters will...your version is donalds trump. <----
I READ THE BOOK AS WELL.

What does this mean??

AND I AM GLAD youre still sticking to the subject.

Did you even read the passages that AlabamaStorm posted (which, by the way, were extremely on topic and apropos). Are you able to understand and respond to their post?
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:48 AM
 
Location: texas
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But don't you see? The whole concept of capitalism vs socialism (that you're putting forth) is a major cultural barrier that exists between most Americans and the illegal migrants that come here from Mexico and other Latin American nations. Illegal migrants from those countries expect social services to be handed to them. They believe in entitlements that most Americans (up until recently) did not.

what? was there not hand outs before them?
lets vote to revoke those hand outs.
I can assure you that the natives abused those social handouts more than the illegals.

Payments by Enrollment Group, FY2007 - Kaiser State Health Facts
Medicare - California - Kaiser State Health Facts

whites are the recipients of everything,
the only thing that anti illegals are scared is that the illegals children
are getting the best education can buy,

the rest its just sterotypes from racists and right mongers.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:53 AM
 
Location: texas
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Did you even read the passages that AlabamaStorm posted (which, by the way, were extremely on topic and apropos). Are you able to understand and respond to their post?

what he throw a little story from the bible, that I complety understood and the character in it his intention was not to exploit becuase it was never his intention to exploit.

and its off the topic, because as you know

all those people that control wall street are people full of greed

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

thats a communist quote,
i am not a communist , but its the truth

what the world its doing to america its call capitalism
what illegals are doing to america its call capitalism

employers pay who they want,
corporations hired who they want.

its your responsibility as a voter to elect and consume what is appropiate for you.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by inturbide1981 View Post
and I am glad you put all those bible verses then ill put mine

Ps. 10:3 - "the greedy man curses and spurns God"
Prov. 11:6 - "the treacherous are caught by their own greed"
Eph. 4:9 - "Gentiles...practice every kind of impurity with greediness"
II Peter 2:3 - (false prophets) "in their greed they will exploit you with false words"
Lk. 3:14 - "be content with your wages"
I Tim. 6:8 - "food and covering, with these we shall be content"
PSA 119:36 Turn my heart toward your statutes and not toward
selfish gain.

PRO 18:1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends; he defies all
sound judgment.
PRO 28:22 A stingy man is eager to get rich and is unaware that
poverty awaits him. MY FAVORITE.

PRO 29:4 By justice a king gives a country stability, but one
who is greedy for bribes tears it down.
EZE 16:27 So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced
your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the
daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd
conduct.

HAB 2:5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at
rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is
never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes
captive all the peoples.

MAT 23:25 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside
they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

LUK 12:15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard
against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions."

1CO 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate
with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral
or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
With such a man do not even eat.
1CO 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers
nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

EPH 5:5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or
greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in
the kingdom of Christ and of God.


PHI 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but
in humility consider others better than yourselves.


BROTHER I COULD READ ON AND ON.......the bible is interpret at the
interpreters will...your version is donalds trump.
I READ THE BOOK AS WELL.

AND I AM GLAD youre still sticking to the subject.
The word "greed" (in the Greek πλεονεξία) implies taking, or desiring something, that you're not entitled to. It means to covet what is not rightfully yours and to take away from others by using fraud, extortion and theft. Obviously there is nothing good about that type of greed.

But that is not what capitalism is, or does. Capitalism is about making just profits and using those just profits to gain more profitability.

Actually, the term "greed" as used in scripture is what motivates most illegal migrants to come to America. They come here because they covet what our nation has. They covet, they lust for and they desire the prosperity of our American life style (ie: the American dream), which their own country can not give them and what they have not rightfully earned. They cheat others, lie and commit fraud by entering our country illegally and using false SS# to satisfy their greediness. That is what the term greed means, when used in the scriptures.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:05 AM
 
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what he throw a little story from the bible, that I complety understood and the character in it his intention was not to exploit becuase it was never his intention to exploit.

and its off the topic, because as you know

all those people that control wall street are people full of greed

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

thats a communist quote,
i am not a communist , but its the truth

what the world its doing to america its call capitalism
what illegals are doing to america its call capitalism

employers pay who they want,
corporations hired who they want.

its your responsibility as a voter to elect and consume what is appropiate for you.

It is not just a story that is off topic. People agree to work for what they agree to. If it is not enough, then maybe they should choose other employment. Obviously you are trying to push the capitalism is evil agenda that this administration is selling.

Thank you for the communist quote. It is quite telling as to the intent of these posts.

I do not buy the victim agenda.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:11 AM
 
Location: AZ
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I say track every single dime back to where it came from and shut down the business it came from and confiscate all the records.

Just so they can hunt down and arrest every single CRIMINAL TERRORIST ILLEGAL who is here and deport them back where they belong.

Easy way to find a few more unwelcomed criminals I say.
I just found out...are you ready...from the IRS that my SSN has been being used by a women in Florida since 2005. No she hasn't applied for any loans, nor has she dinged my credit...yet. But I had to file a police report with my state, they in turn turned it over to the state that she resides in. The only thing I can do is turn over the police report to the IRS, and they will "investigate" it. That's it. I have to watch my credit, and our accounts with our banks they also have been notified.

I kind of feel like my hands are tied behind my back. The detective I spoke with in Florida was very nice, but I really don't see this being resolved anytime soon. So that's my pity party for tonight.

Bottom line...no one really cares if your SSN is stolen. It wasn't like my purse had been stolen. I still have the card, so how did she get the number?
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:14 AM
 
Location: texas
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[quote=AlabamaStorm;15798811]The word "greed" (in the Greek πλεονεξία) implies taking, or desiring something, that you're not entitled to. It means to covet what is not rightfully yours and to take away from others by using fraud, extortion and theft. Obviously there is nothing good about that type of greed.

But that is not what capitalism is, or does. Capitalism is about making just profits and using those just profits to gain more profitability.

Actually, the term "greed" as used in scripture is what motivates most illegal migrants to come to America. They come here because they covet what our nation has. They covet, they lust for and they desire the prosperity of our American life style (ie: the American dream), which their own country can not give them and what they have not rightfully earned. They cheat others, lie and commit fraud by using false SS# to satisfy their greediness. That is what the term greed means, when used in the scriptures.

who doesnt lust the american dream? did ur ancestors not come here againsts the blacks will? hold on they did not have a voice? but did ur great grandfather did not see the poor black being exploited? did ur great grandfather care about depressing wages for the poor black man?

they are laws that are written and they are laws that are not written
and the ones that are not written tend to be the most pure at hearth and not written specifically to outcast or genecide your competitor.

greed is everywhere and the topic got off its course.

youre correct america had all rights to exploit stupidity, but now the world is younger, more competitive and has the numbers on her side and thats whats killing america,

capitalism is not rule by a specific race or country it works for everybody.

you can kick the illegals out but again capitalism and profits are going to
search profits....always.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:20 AM
 
Location: texas
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It is not just a story that is off topic. People agree to work for what they agree to. If it is not enough, then maybe they should choose other employment. Obviously you are trying to push the capitalism is evil agenda that this administration is selling.

Thank you for the communist quote. It is quite telling as to the intent of these posts.

I do not buy the victim agenda.
this administration is selling? i love capitalism what i am saying is that americans claimed being victims but when everything was going good.
they topple govermnets that did not fallow americas policies,
supported regimes, etc etc. created kaos in international markets raising interest rates,

and I am not selling any victim agenda these is my agenda.

THE POOR OF THE WORLD has learned capitalism even at their meager wages and are crashing the system and all of the growth and production is going to them, and they have earned it fare and square and the illegals are the cherry of what its to come, working like third worlder to make ends meet.

theres no victim agenda, here buddy.
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