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Old 09-08-2010, 01:34 AM
 
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The word "greed" (in the Greek πλεονεξία) implies taking, or desiring something, that you're not entitled to. It means to covet what is not rightfully yours and to take away from others by using fraud, extortion and theft. Obviously there is nothing good about that type of greed.

But that is not what capitalism is, or does. Capitalism is about making just profits and using those just profits to gain more profitability.

Actually, the term "greed" as used in scripture is what motivates most illegal migrants to come to America. They come here because they covet what our nation has. They covet, they lust for and they desire the prosperity of our American life style (ie: the American dream), which their own country can not give them and what they have not rightfully earned. They cheat others, lie and commit fraud by using false SS# to satisfy their greediness. That is what the term greed means, when used in the scriptures.

who doesnt lust the american dream? did ur ancestors not come here againsts the blacks will? hold on they did not have a voice? but did ur great grandfather did not see the poor black being exploited? did ur great grandfather care about depressing wages for the poor black man?

they are laws that are written and they are laws that are not written
and the ones that are not written tend to be the most pure at hearth and not written specifically to outcast or genecide your competitor.

greed is everywhere and the topic got off its course.

youre correct america had all rights to exploit stupidity, but now the world is younger, more competitive and has the numbers on her side and thats whats killing america,

capitalism is not rule by a specific race or country it works for everybody.

you can kick the illegals out but again capitalism and profits are going to
search profits....always.
Actually, the American dream is just that: A dream. What we need are leaders that will instruct their citizens to first seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and if this be done, everything else will be added thereto (Mat 6:33). If Obama (including Bush, Clinton and Reagan) and Mexico's Fox and Calderon did that, we would have little to no illegal migrants to be concerned with.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:43 AM
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Let's leave religion out of this, ok ? In fact, I'd like everyone to get back on topic.
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Old 09-08-2010, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Pa
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In one breath the fed claims not to know how many illegals are actually in this country. The next they can spout numbers and what illegals contribute. Then the next they have no data about crimes committed by illegals. The fed doesn't want to talk about how much illegals cost the tax payer but seem to want to divert attention from the reality.
Amazing.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:17 AM
 
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"define morality? legality again? we exploit the poor, and the poor have brought a taste of our medicine to our shores".

Who is "WE"? Certainly not your everyday struggling American trying to make ends meet. Do you actually think that WE approve of what our govenment, the greedy employers and the illegals are doing to this country and to us?

All three are immoral and doing something illegal.
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: texas
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"define morality? legality again? we exploit the poor, and the poor have brought a taste of our medicine to our shores".

Who is "WE"? Certainly not your everyday struggling American trying to make ends meet. Do you actually think that WE approve of what our govenment, the greedy employers and the illegals are doing to this country and to us?

All three are immoral and doing something illegal.
ok Ill do the research for you, just to show you how you participate.
whats the city and state you reside?

just to show you who are the ones to blame and if you would do something about it.

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Old 09-08-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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and another thing those illegals that invested all that money into social securtiy WONT SEE A PENNY FROM IT....... because their not entitled to
unemployment or disability and the best of all retirement...

so its all surplus MONEY.,,,,
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Comprehensive Immigration Proposal by Kennedy-McCain would have given illegals amnesty/citizenship and allowed them to get credit for funds they paid into Social Security. If CIR is ever passed I am sure this will be part of it.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I guess if you had really low wages for Social Security and an illegal was using your Social Security number you might be in for a pleasant surprise when they computed your wages
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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I guess if you had really low wages for Social Security and an illegal was using your Social Security number you might be in for a pleasant surprise when they computed your wages
No, not my culture. I prefer to have my SS based on my own wages which I am only lawfully entitled to.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I guess if you had really low wages for Social Security and an illegal was using your Social Security number you might be in for a pleasant surprise when they computed your wages
Yep, it’s all one big party.

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But the federal tax agency has sent the couple a bill for $2,748 in back income taxes from 2006 that actually are owed by identity thieves, and documents she provided show the IRS already has deducted $467 from Lora Costner's 401(k) retirement account.

The Costners' problems began when illegal immigrants employed by Morristown's Koch Foods plant racked up thousands of dollars in tax debts to the IRS. The impostors worked at the plant from 2005-2007.
Couple still fighting identity theft » Knoxville News Sentinel

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Thus, when illegal aliens use SSNs or other documents belonging to American citizens and legal residents, the damage can be substantial. The true owners risk being saddled with the illegal aliens’ credit, arrest, and medical records. Victims may be denied jobs, unemployment insurance, Social Security payments, and Medicaid benefits. It costs victims hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to undo the damage and recover their names and lives.
Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment | Center for Immigration Studies
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Schmierer realized she had a problem in February 2005, when she got a statement from the IRS saying she owed $15,813 in back taxes — even though she had not worked since her son was born in 2000.
California Woman's Social Security Stolen by Suspected Illegal Immigrants - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
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Old 09-08-2010, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I guess if you had really low wages for Social Security and an illegal was using your Social Security number you might be in for a pleasant surprise when they computed your wages
No, because that SS doesn't go against YOUR account - it goes into their slush fund, BUT the IRS may come after you for taxes for not filing for that undeclared income

ETA: Just saw Benicar responded with evidence of how "great" that would be.
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