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Old 09-20-2010, 09:02 PM
 
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Isn't it breaking the law for the DoD to employ them? How is it that they can change or ignore laws in favor of undocumented people, but when something goes against them, it is "unconstitutional" or shot down?
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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Don't you think it's interesting that most volunteers sign up for 4 years but the DREAM Act only asks the undocumented for TWO ? Once again one rule for them and another for legals ?
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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I think America should NOT train illegal migrants how to arm themselves, fire a gun and conduct military operations. We don't need to give military training to those who would like nothing better than to see their native homeland take over American soil. Deport them all.
Exactly. I don't want to judge though and assume that my Hispanic brethren who join the military will be gang members, but I read and report I saw about the rising rate of gangs in the military. A lot of Hispanic youth are joining the military and they have ties to Hispanic gangs. It's not just Hispanics, there are all kinds of groups in the military (White Nationalists, Hispanic gangs, Neo-Nazis, Crips, etc.), but just adding a fresh new supply of gang members into the military AND training them how to kill, is nuts. What happens when they go back to Mexico and they join up with the Zetas (which are former military members)? I knew that the recruits were gang-affiliated just by walking on base, having family there and talking to some of these guys. Yea, they were nice guys, but they were definitely gang-affiliated or were apart of the gang culture.

What are we gonna have in the US military? A bunch of people who actually pledge an allegiance to another country (Mexico)? What other country would even think of doing something like this? It's just dangerous, you know that out of the amount that will be goining, there is bound to be a serious incident that harms innocent people. And what about the potential Jihad terrorist that joins? I wonder how they researched the ramifications of this Dream Act plan? The DHS would be wise to cooperate and work with the DoD on how to make sure those who aren't a threat aren't joining the military.

Also ... what if they do not speak English? How does military training and "boot camp" work? Will English drill instructors and officers become the next group of people that are discriminated against because they don't speak Spanish? And what about on the battlefield? Will there be Spanish-speaking only teams? If not, then how will soldiers understand one another?
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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Isn't it breaking the law for the DoD to employ them? How is it that they can change or ignore laws in favor of undocumented people, but when something goes against them, it is "unconstitutional" or shot down?
I assume the DREAM Act would provide them with some kind of temporary visa once they apply that would allow the military to enlist them?
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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Don't you think it's interesting that most volunteers sign up for 4 years but the DREAM Act only asks the undocumented for TWO ? Once again one rule for them and another for legals ?
Yup. In ROTC, I had to sign up for four years to receive a scholarship, so why should a Dream Act beneficiary only have to sign up for two? Not that I wouldn't take my four years, but it is once again crapping on the legal residents and giving undocumented people special privileges.
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:16 PM
 
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I assume the DREAM Act would provide them with some kind of temporary visa once they apply that would allow the military to enlist them?
Exactly, that is bending the rules, inventing a new rule that gives them eligibility. Yet, when something needs to be bent to deport or to reduce illegal immigration, it is seen as unlawful or unconstitutinal. Basically, it is OK to BEND the rules to make things OK for undocumented immigrants, but it is not OK to reinvent or create measures to reduce illegal immigration. In fact, the laws don't need to be bent to reduce illegal immigration, they just need to be enforced.
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:25 PM
 
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I've been reading some articles on the DREAM Act (from both sides) and I did come across one example of where our immigration system has fallen down. This kid was brought here by his parents illegally when he was 4 months old. Since then his parents have managed to be approved and adjust their status and are now LPR since before this kid was 21, but because of the backlog in application approvals/denials he "aged out" at 21 and is no longer eligible to get legal status based on his parents LPR status. To me in THIS case, that seems very wrong. If the parents became legal while this man was still a minor it seems to me the fair and equitable thing would be for any minor children to derive status from their parents?

I realise this type of situation is an exceedingly small % of those who would benefit from the DREAM Act, but it does show our immigration system definitely needs some tweaks to prevent these anomalies.
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Old 09-21-2010, 06:52 AM
 
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Isn't it breaking the law for the DoD to employ them? How is it that they can change or ignore laws in favor of undocumented people, but when something goes against them, it is "unconstitutional" or shot down?
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I assume the DREAM Act would provide them with some kind of temporary visa once they apply that would allow the military to enlist them?
Given that illegal aliens can NOT join our military, they will be legalized first; then, they will be eligible. Interesting, isnít it? Putting the cart before the horse.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:07 PM
 
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On the chance that this passes I would be interested in how many would join and then simply leave like my girlfriends son was able to do soon after he signed up, by telling them he had once had a drug problem and was craving it again, he got out immediately. Would those that choose not to fulfill their commintment then be stripped of the legalization? Or will they still be forever legal? Something tells me there will be no provision for such and occurance and there will be lots of other loopholes they will find and abuse.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:31 PM
 
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On the chance that this passes I would be interested in how many would join and then simply leave like my girlfriends son was able to do soon after he signed up, by telling them he had once had a drug problem and was craving it again, he got out immediately. Would those that choose not to fulfill their commintment then be stripped of the legalization? Or will they still be forever legal? Something tells me there will be no provision for such and occurance and there will be lots of other loopholes they will find and abuse.
Few DREAMies have ANY interest in joining our military. Harry Reid and his cohort of pandering liars only emphasized the military provision to garner support. Itís shameful that he would attach this garbage to a defense bill for political gain. He knew it wouldnít pass, but he had to prove to the Hispanic voters that he is trying to legalize the status of their illegal relatives and friends.

There will be loopholes galore, and they will exploit all. Plus, we know their status wonít be monitored, so they can enroll in college and never attend one day. No one is going to review their cases to ensure compliance; just as no one monitors tourist visas, as evidenced by the millions who have managed to overstay visas for 10+ years. Itís a joke.
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