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Old 09-21-2010, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Benicar View Post
Few DREAMies have ANY interest in joining our military. Harry Reid and his cohort of pandering liars only emphasized the military provision to garner support. It’s shameful that he would attach this garbage to a defense bill for political gain. He knew it wouldn’t pass, but he had to prove to the Hispanic voters that he is trying to legalize the status of their illegal relatives and friends.

There will be loopholes galore, and they will exploit all. Plus, we know their status won’t be monitored, so they can enroll in college and never attend one day. No one is going to review their cases to ensure compliance; just as no one monitors tourist visas, as evidenced by the millions who have managed to overstay visas for 10+ years. It’s a joke.
They won't have much interest in joining the military when they expect to be given full ride financial aid to the university of their choice.

It would have been outrageous is this bill passed - so many Americans are being denied a college education because tuition costs are sky high while those who make it here illegally expect they should be given all the financial aid.

It's preposterous that someone could smuggle in a 15 year old kid and in two years expect free college for him but of course the real goal is that by age 18, these children will be sponsoring their illegal relatives.

Nothing stops these kids from joining the legal foreign students and applying for foreign student visas and paying foreign student tuition - but of course they don't want to be like the law-abiding, they want to come here illegally and have a free ride.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Location: San Diego North County
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Senate Cloture vote fails.

Too bad, so sad.

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Old 09-22-2010, 12:01 AM
Location: Chicago
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Here is what one moron representative in Chicago ( that is probably going to run for mayor ) ( thank god he is not my rep) put out recently:

Dear Senate Colleague:

I am writing to respectfully urge you to take all steps necessary to ensure the DREAM Act, S. 729, is brought up as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, S.3454, this week. Specifically, I ask that you support both the motion to proceed to the Defense bill and the DREAM Act amendment, as well as passage of the DREAM Act amendment.

As you know, the DREAM Act is a narrow, common sense piece of legislation that would help hundreds of thousands of talented and deserving immigrant students achieve their fullest potential by earning a college degree or enlisting to serve in the U.S. armed services. These young people are patriots and are Americans in every way except on paper. Brought to the U.S. at a young age, this is the only country they have ever known. From their families and friends to their mentors, coaches and teachers, Americans have already invested much to ensure the success of these kids. In return, they have stayed out of trouble against all odds and excelled beyond expectations--graduating high school with high honors and high hopes to contribute to and serve the United States to the fullest of their hard-earned abilities.

I believe there are at least 218 votes in the House to pass the DREAM Act. President Obama and the Pentagon have voiced their strong support for including the DREAM Act within the National Defense Authorization Act. An affirmative vote in the Senate would bring these exceptional young people one step closer toward fulfilling their dreams. The only thing standing in the way of giving these kids a fighting chance in adulthood is an affirmative vote in the Senate on the DREAM Act. We have already begun to hear the excuses from those who would wish our immigration, high school drop-out and military recruitment challenges away, rather than lead our nation to solve the problems we were sent to Washington to solve. We have heard the cynical political talk of naysayers--who selfishly benefit from inaction--so often we could script it ourselves. The only way our country, our military and our economy will benefit from all these students have to offer is if you vote to support them.

Now is the time to pass the DREAM Act. Please vote to proceed to the National Defense Authorization Act, and, when further votes are called on the DREAM amendment, I urge you to vote yes.

Thank you for your consideration.


Luis V. Gutierrez
Member of Congress
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Old 09-22-2010, 12:07 AM
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I note that nowhere in that little spiel is the word ILLEGAL mentioned............god forbid we should let reality get in the way of flowing rhetoric
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:05 AM
Location: San Diego North County
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Gutierrez is an idiot and a well established illegal alien apologist. His district should toss him out on his illegal loving ear.
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