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Old 09-10-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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DREAMies are finally showing their true colors. They want legalization, but not enough to serve in our military. After all, they hold no allegiance to this country. Note the petition on the link.

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The DREAM Act has been promoted as a chance for many undocumented youth to gain "legalization." It has been touted as an education bill. However, college attendance rates are low for many undocumented immigrants, especially latino/as. Little is done to help undocumented youth go to college. Therefore, this will force many youth to choose the military option as their only choice for legalization. We believe this is immoral and an unfair choice.

If you believe that the DREAM Act is flawed because the only two options are college or the military. If you want to see the military option removed from the DREAM Act, please sign our petition.
Stop the Militarization of the DREAM Act! - Sign the Petition | Change.org
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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What a crock. They must not want it that bad if they consider themselves to good for service. Nutz to them then.

Why should American men and women defend these freaking free loaders? Ship them out.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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Hey come on, they learned this from the parents, that's why they all ran from mexico or one of the those places. If they wouldn't fight for themselves there why bother here?

I got big news for them, thats the main reason they are here we need the war bodies, if you look at the offspring of the nomalized children for the 80's amnesty many are serving.
Who's the cash cow now?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: California
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This may be the nail in the coffin of the Dream Act. The military part was how many were able to accept it.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Just stop the Dream Act PERIOD.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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the DREAM Act is flawed because the only two options are college or the military
Funny how they always forget that 3rd option - LEAVE!!!!!!!! This isn't your country.
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Are there no DREAMies or apologists willing to defend this?
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Old 09-12-2010, 02:06 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Are there no DREAMies or apologists willing to defend this?
This is strictly a straw man argument. Few of the Dream Act backers oppose the military piece and it will never pass without it. If you want a discussion try the dream act not the silly military piece. Note that it is not very likely to pass with it either...at least in the present enviroment.

I would think the dream act a good idea. We have a set of children kind of caught in no mans land. They are culturally Americans and often have brothers and sisters who are americans. They were not willing participants in any violation of US law that occurred.

They are very unlikely to be deported and will generally end up beating the system one way or another. Again helping to build this gray economy out of reach of the normal.
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Old 09-12-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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This is strictly a straw man argument. Few of the Dream Act backers oppose the military piece and it will never pass without it. If you want a discussion try the dream act not the silly military piece. Note that it is not very likely to pass with it either...at least in the present enviroment.

I would think the dream act a good idea. We have a set of children kind of caught in no mans land. They are culturally Americans and often have brothers and sisters who are americans. They were not willing participants in any violation of US law that occurred.

They are very unlikely to be deported and will generally end up beating the system one way or another. Again helping to build this gray economy out of reach of the normal.
They're legally unemployable. They need to go back home instead of arguing that Americans should change our laws because their parents broke them. The dream act is an insult to every single legal immigrant. It should not be passed. Americans have no obligation to foreign invaders and their offspring.

If that isn't fair well life isn't fair. Every single country take the right enforce borders and decide who is and isn't a citizen. America has been remarkably generous actually by allowing millions and millions of people to come here. To argue that American generosity is not enough and that we have to extend it even further to a population that has not been vetted and gives no evidence of having complied with basic American laws is insane.

To hell with the dreamies. In any other place they would not be so brazen. Let them demonstrate they have respect for this country by coming out of the shadows, applying for legalized status and admitting to law breaking. If they are unable to attain legal status let them go home.

The argument that everyone has to obey the law except illegal migrants is annoying as hell.
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Old 09-12-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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They're legally unemployable. They need to go back home instead of arguing that Americans should change our laws because their parents broke them. The dream act is an insult to every single legal immigrant. It should not be passed. Americans have no obligation to foreign invaders and their offspring.
One does not employ foreign invaders. When one does they cease to be invaders and become welcome employees. And one can be both a welcome employee and an illegal immigrant.

The kids are tougher. They have violated no US law wilfully. I would think that when we allowed the parents to stay we developed a moral requirement to the children. Nothing legal just moral .

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If that isn't fair well life isn't fair. Every single country take the right enforce borders and decide who is and isn't a citizen. America has been remarkably generous actually by allowing millions and millions of people to come here. To argue that American generosity is not enough and that we have to extend it even further to a population that has not been vetted and gives no evidence of having complied with basic American laws is insane.
Again you talking about the children or the parents? The children have pretty well been "vetted" to the degree we "vet" anyone.

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To hell with the dreamies. In any other place they would not be so brazen. Let them demonstrate they have respect for this country by coming out of the shadows, applying for legalized status and admitting to law breaking. If they are unable to attain legal status let them go home.

The argument that everyone has to obey the law except illegal migrants is annoying as hell.
Again the children or the parents. The children broke no law.

Actually obeying the law is not a very strong requirement. People speed regularly and the use of schemes to avoid income tax is widespread. My favorite at the moment is Sharron Angle the Republican candidate for the Senate who obviously and clearly violated the US copyright law and has been sued for it. Should we really elect an illegal to the US Senate? Or is it OK for Sharron to violate a US Law but not OK for the child of an illegal alien.

Love to here you reconcile those two.
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