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Old 09-21-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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Also, it is such a lie that "this is the only country they know." These Senators who are supporting this bill are obviously trying to sway people to believe these lies. Every undocumented person I have met and a lot of the youth are SO loyal to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc. They believe they are nationals of those countries before being American and this is the MAJORITY of what I have seen if not all. So, to act like they have some sort of allegiance to us is ridiculous. What undocumented people do is sit back and let people like Senator Durbin fight for them as they wait to get more benefits from the US, all the while they are living the "Viva La Raza" life of announcing their allegiance to their native country while living in the US.
Spot on.. me too I hear this crap all the time , they are just milking us and waiting to take the ill gotten loot back to mexico.

This was very close, we had better watch out for the lame duck season.
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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Sad to say BOTH the senators in my state (WA) are co-sponsors of the DREAM Act. But then that's no great shock considering this state is one of the few that allows both dl to illegals and in-state tuituon to illegals. They don't give a damn about legal residents or citizens.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Hopefully more Americans are coming to realise this is just Hispandering on the part of their elected officials who are supposed to be guarding THEIR rights, not those of illegals.
That would be a great thing.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Vote Results for Cloture on S. 3454

Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to S. 3454 )
Vote Number: 238 Vote Date: September 21, 2010, 02:39 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Measure Number: S. 3454 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011 )
Measure Title: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2011 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes.

Vote Counts: YEAs 56
NAYs 43
Not Voting 1

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Burris (D-IL), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Goodwin (D-WV), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johanns (R-NE), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
LeMieux (R-FL), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Specter (D-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---56

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Goodwin (D-WV)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---43

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 1

Murkowski (R-AK)

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Nay Pryor (D-AR), Nay
California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
Florida: LeMieux (R-FL), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Nay Risch (R-ID), Nay
Illinois: Burris (D-IL), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Nay Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Nay Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Brown (R-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Nay Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Nay McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Nay Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea
New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Nay Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (D-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Nay Graham (R-SC), Nay
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Nay Corker (R-TN), Nay
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Nay Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Goodwin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State



Illegal Immigration: Americans Fighting Back
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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Also, it is such a lie that "this is the only country they know." These Senators who are supporting this bill are obviously trying to sway people to believe these lies. Every undocumented person I have met and a lot of the youth are SO loyal to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc. They believe they are nationals of those countries before being American and this is the MAJORITY of what I have seen if not all. So, to act like they have some sort of allegiance to us is ridiculous. What undocumented people do is sit back and let people like Senator Durbin fight for them as they wait to get more benefits from the US, all the while they are living the "Viva La Raza" life of announcing their allegiance to their native country while living in the US.
It is a lie. There are only a small percentage of illegal aliens kids that were brought here as infants. Most of them were 5 years old or older so this is not the only country they have ever known. Most know how to speak the language of their homelands also and have the culture of that country instilled in them by their parents. These sympathizers act like these kids would be deported to the moon rather than a country they are quite familiar with.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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I just want to know when the blame is actually going to be laid at the feet of the people responsible? We're told over and over that their illegal status is not their fault and we should fix everything for them. The problem I have with that is IT'S not my fault either! Why do we need to rectify a crime done by their own parents?
I hear the pleas of the dreamies and I hear the pleas of the citizens who want the illegals out (myself included!), but what I don't hear are the illegal parents stepping up and saying "Yes, we did this. We are to blame."
I don't expect them to ever admit this in public, but at the very least they should look at their child and admit that THEY are the reason their child is in this mess.
Instead I get the impression that most dreamies refuse to acknowledge that this situation is not a problem brought on by U.S. citizens.
They keep repeating that they've been here for xx number of years and we should just accept them based on that alone...but they stop there and don't acknowledge the crime (yes CRIME) that preceeded this.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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Vote Results for Cloture on S. 3454

Vote Summary


Illegal Immigration: Americans Fighting Back
Notice the trends amongst who voted and what state they are from? The states that have been known to take care of illegal immigrants obviously voted "Yea." The states that have had enough of illegal immigration said, "Nay." I know that is probably obvious, but I found it interesting to be able to see which states would vote "Yea" for further abuse of the system by illegal immigrants. It got to the point to where I could go down the list of states and predict if both Senators would say "Yea" or "Nay."
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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It is a lie. There are only a small percentage of illegal aliens kids that were brought here as infants. Most of them were 5 years old or older so this is not the only country they have ever known. Most know how to speak the language of their homelands also and have the culture of that country instilled in them by their parents. These sympathizers act like these kids would be deported to the moon rather than a country they are quite familiar with.
Yup.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Congradulations everyone!

YOU BEAT BACK CHANCES FOR THE DREAM ACT

SENATE CLOTURE VOTE FAILS

Thanks for all of your hard work in making phone calls and sending faxes the last 8 days.

The Senate just failed by a count of 56-43 to approve cloture, which would have allowed debate to begin on a Defense bill that Senate leaders hoped would include the DREAM Act amnesty.

Because it takes 60 votes for cloture, the Defense bill had to be pulled.

NumbersUSA
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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Only one democrat voted Nay?

All Rs voted Nay? On a military/defense bill?

Wow, this tells you all the bills in that bill are BAD for this country, especially the DREAM act.
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