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Old 09-24-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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They have no right to citzenship ,education or anything else if they came here illegally.This is another reason I will consider voting republican this year.
You can vote for what ever party you like...but It was the U.S. Supreme Court that ruled that all children have the right to an education regarless of their immigration status.

The 1982 U.S. Supreme Court case Plyer v. Doe, which held that undocumented students have a constitutional right to attend public elementary and secondary school for free.

So, unless your political party has the power to over-turn Supreme Court rullings...good luck.
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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You can vote for what ever party you like...but It was the U.S. Supreme Court that ruled that all children have the right to an education regarless of their immigration status.

The 1982 U.S. Supreme Court case Plyer v. Doe, which held that undocumented students have a constitutional right to attend public elementary and secondary school for free.

So, unless your political party has the power to over-turn Supreme Court rullings...good luck.

But NOT college. SC rulings CAN be overturned by future Supreme Court judges who may see it differently.

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Old 09-24-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: California
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Sounds all fine and dandy.
Except you are still rewarding lawbreakers.
If illegals are not sent home and told to try the legal way in, then they are being placed well ahead of the line. You see, the line STARTS on the outside of the US borders. Legal immigrants START the process in their own countries - they do not come here and demand citizenship.
Illegals go home. Their children go with them. No rewards for any of them.
Enlighten me why "the line" is so special. And you can't say "because that's how it's always been done". Really, I want to know what is so fracking amazing about the current way we give citizenships to people that prevents us from ever changing or questioning or replacing it with something better.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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Enlighten me why "the line" is so special. And you can't say "because that's how it's always been done". Really, I want to know what is so fracking amazing about the current way we give citizenships to people that prevents us from ever changing or questioning or replacing it with something better.
The line needs to form from the immigrants homeland because if it didn't every poor person in the world would crash our gates and then we would have the problem of removing them when we couldn't accomodate them all. This isn't rocket science, you know. It is only common sense.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:40 PM
 
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This is a trick to let in illegals. You see once the kid says he will go to college(it wont be verified) he will then claim the right FOR ALL OF HIS ILLEGAL RELATIVES HERE and those back home to become legal....
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Old 09-24-2010, 06:00 PM
 
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Why in God's name should getting any college degree, much less a measly associate's degree, be a path to citizenship? At least military service means service to the country one wishes to become a citizen of. Going to college is service to.... oneself. I'm puzzled that serving oneself should be considered as a path to citizenship, and positively dumbfounded that a solid majority of Americans agree that it should be.
True.
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Old 09-24-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Who would actually refuse citizenship for someone who had volunteered to serve in our military? Don't you think that person should be rewarded before someone whos name just happened to be next on a list? What is so amazing about how we grant citizenship now except that "it's always been done that way"?? Once you start thinking like that there is no hope for you.
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Enlighten me why "the line" is so special. And you can't say "because that's how it's always been done". Really, I want to know what is so fracking amazing about the current way we give citizenships to people that prevents us from ever changing or questioning or replacing it with something better.

The reason there is "a line" is because gaining approval for an immigration visa does not happen overnight, it takes time for documents to be verified etc etc.........and no, there is NO reason someone here illegally in the first place should be granted the right to be processed BEFORE others who rather than being "just a name that's next on a list" have abided by and fuflilled ALL the immigration rules and regulations in order to BE next on that list, and in some cases may well have been waiting YEARS for their chance.

If you can't see that allowing those here illegally to "cut in line" is UNFAIR to those others then I don't know what to say to you.

To be eligible to serve in the US military they have to have their status legalised anyway PRIOR to enlisting, a little point that seems to have escaped most that are for it. Illegals are NOT permitted to enlist (legally anyway) in the US military.
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:26 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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This was just a suggestion in lieu of sending all of them back. Ideally, they would ALL be sent back to start the immigration process LEGALLY like everyone else.

My husband came here LEGALLY two years ago and going through that immigration process is long, involved, complicated and expensive. They told us that it got that way right after 9/11 for our own safety!!!!

Maybe loosen up the immigration requirements that make it almost impossible to come here and then there would be more people doing it the right way. In the meantime this was my suggestion for the children of the illegals -- just an idea because at least they would be DOCUMENTED and would have to PAY just like everyone else as well as getting the medical check (although what real good does THAT do at this late date -- the medical exam comes BEFORE you get here to make sure you aren't carrying some communicable disease.

Maybe they could have the children of illegals apply for a green card -- that means they have to pass the background check and medical check (that would have been required if they had come here legally). Most immigrants have to pay thousands of $$$$$ to get a green card but maybe make one exception for these people -- let them work first and earn the money for their green card.

So they would have a conditional, temporary green card and would have a certain number of years to finish paying for it. Then they would get a real green card. Then they would, like any other immigrant, be able to apply (and PAY $$$$$$ again) for citizenship. No jumping to the head of the line. It shouldn't be made easy for them and it's not easy to do it LEGALLY either.
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: United States of America
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I know a guy whou would benefit from the dream act. He's a nice guy, attending the University of Texas at Austin and is gonna graduate this December. I like him a lot. However, I am still against the dream act. What kind of signal will this send to future illegal immigrants? That there will be an amnesty eventually, so what the hell... just let's head up there? All this talk about "securing the border" is nonsense. THere's no way to secure the border. Even if we built a fence. There are border crossing cards that you can get. They are easily to obtain. Pretty much anybody can get one. Then they will come in legally and stay for good ( illegally ). So there's no way to stop them. And an amnesty will certainly not help. ANY kind of amnesty. We just can not allow this.

@ Ceece and everybody else.

There was no line for them to begin with. 99.9% of the illegals would not have qualified for a visa. THIS IS WHY they are here illegally. They weren't lazy or anything, they just would not have ogtten one because they are obviously low-skilled workers. I'm a legal immigrant, btw. The H1B work visa requires a Bachelor's degree or the equivalent. SDo yes, the line IS special. It's only for people who qualify.

Nobody on this forum realizes this. I keep reading it...
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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There was no line for them to begin with. 99.9% of the illegals would not have qualified for a visa. THIS IS WHY they are here illegally. They weren't lazy or anything, they just would not have ogtten one because they are obviously low-skilled workers. I'm a legal immigrant, btw. The H1B work visa requires a Bachelor's degree or the equivalent. SDo yes, the line IS special. It's only for people who qualify.

Nobody on this forum realizes this. I keep reading it...

You're totally wrong - have you not been reading all the posts here? MANY people have said exactly the same thing you've stated.

I totally agree and have been saying it for quite a while, but the pro illegals seem to feel that because there's no WAY these people can come here legally, they have no choice but to come here illegally. We see that opinion stated ALL the time. Apparently they don't like to hear the word NO.
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