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Old 09-26-2010, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It will give them a voting majority. Not only voting but such a big group of similar people can influence many local/state/federal laws and how the country is governed.

Spanish is our defacto second language and in some places the first and in a few places the only language spoken.

 
Old 09-26-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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1) Your poll results are wrong. Most Americans do not want the illegals to remain here. There are many polls out there that contradict yours.

2) Everytime amnesty or the Dream Act is brought up in congress the phone and fax lines are jammed with objecters and the fact that neither has passed is proof enough of how most Americans feel about it.
1) It's not my poll. But here's another one from the Pew Center also from July 2010 which showed 68% support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants provided they pay back taxes, pass a criminal background test, etc.

Poll: Views Mixed on Arizona Lawsuit, but Action Desired on Immigration | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

2) Yes, the extremists come out when those proposals start to gain traction but that doesn't mean that is how most Americans view the issue.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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1) It's not my poll. But here's another one from the Pew Center also from July 2010 which showed 68% support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants provided they pay back taxes, pass a criminal background test, etc.
Poll: Views Mixed on Arizona Lawsuit, but Action Desired on Immigration | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

2) Yes, the extremists come out when those proposals start to gain traction but that doesn't mean that is how most Americans view the issue.

Extremists? So, only radicals oppose amnesty? We will see where the support lies when Congress attempts to pass another amnesty bill. I assure you, there will be more opposition than support.

Given their propensity for document fraud and multiple aliases, there is absolutely no feasible method for even determining the identities of most illegal aliens. How does one pay back taxes on unknown earnings? Should the IRS require citizens to have “verifiable” wages, yet permit illegal aliens to pay according to the honor system? Furthermore, the current CIR bill does NOT “require” the payment of back taxes. In any case, most illegals are low-wage earners. Consequently, no taxes would be paid even if required.

Read Title IV “Earned Legalization of Undocumented Individuals” of the CIR ASAP bill (H.R. 4321). You can locate it at Thomas Library of Congress. You will NOT find a requirement for illegals to pay back taxes. This is simply another lie being fed to the public in an attempt to garner support for amnesty.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Extremists? So, only radicals oppose amnesty? We will see where the support lies when Congress attempts to pass another amnesty bill. I assure you, there will be more opposition than support.
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Are you suggesting that the 68% of Americans who supported a path to citizenship in that poll ARE THE EXTREMISTS?
 
Old 09-26-2010, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Are you suggesting that the 68% of Americans who supported a path to citizenship in that poll ARE THE EXTREMISTS?
No, I was responding to YOUR #2 comment below. BTW, who are the extremists? And, 68% only applies to the poll respondents, not the majority of U.S. citizens. BIG difference.

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1) It's not my poll. But here's another one from the Pew Center also from July 2010 which showed 68% support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants provided they pay back taxes, pass a criminal background test, etc.

Poll: Views Mixed on Arizona Lawsuit, but Action Desired on Immigration | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

2) Yes, the extremists come out when those proposals start to gain traction but that doesn't mean that is how most Americans view the issue.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No, I was responding to YOUR #2 comment below. BTW, who are the extremists? And, 68% only applies to the poll respondents, not the majority of U.S. citizens. BIG difference.
The margin of error on that poll was 3%....it was in fact a poll reflecting the views of the American public.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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The margin of error on that poll was 3%....it was in fact a poll reflecting the views of the American public.
Dream on. It is only one poll and doesn't reflect how the real majority feel.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Dream on. It is only one poll and doesn't reflect how the real majority feel.
I've posted two recent polls asking the same question regarding a path to citizenship. Both have shown two-thirds or more of the majority in support.

If you want to post a poll showing the opposite go right ahead.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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I've posted two recent polls asking the same question regarding a path to citizenship. Both have shown two-thirds or more of the majority in support.

If you want to post a poll showing the opposite go right ahead.
And those amnestied will show their gratitude by forcing non spanish speakers to learn spanish to qualify for bilingual job positions in places like Miami, El Paso and Los Angeles. Yes I am all for amnesty.
 
Old 09-26-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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If Hispanic citizens do not overwhelmingly support illegal alien causes, their purported leadership (La Raza, MALDEF, LULAC, CHC, CASA) has done them a grave disservice. The massive “immigrant” marches have also done nothing to dispel this belief. Naturally, when we constantly see massive numbers of Hispanics marching alongside illegal aliens, it is not farfetched to assume they are receiving the support of the majority.

I know for a fact there are many Hispanics who do not support illegal immigration. Unfortunately, their voices are muted by the vociferous support from the majority. Some Hispanics have even been ostracized for opposing illegal immigration, and are frequently referred to as “coconuts” and other derogatory terms. I don’t know how anyone can deny this.

Can anyone name even ONE Hispanic politician or advocacy group opposing illegal immigration? Are there ANY who support the enforcement of our current immigration laws? Are there ANY who do not support a moratorium on deportations? Are there ANY who do not label opposition as racist or xenophobic? Are there ANY who even dare refer to these foreign interlopers as ILLEGAL, as opposed to the popular euphemisms? I don’t know of one.
Marco Rubio of Florida.
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