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Old 09-30-2010, 01:12 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Colossal misinformation for the duped and dumbed down.
From this response I would say likewise I'm sure !
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I'm sure there are MANY unemployed LEGAL workers in NY that would snap up those hospitality industry jobs - always provided of course that the employers are paying MINIMUM wage or above.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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So now we're worried about blue helicopters instead of black? The UN hasn't done anything useful since the Korean War so there's absolutely nothing to fear from that gutless waste of money. We should focus our attention on the real threat posed by the drug armies on our border.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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So now we're worried about blue helicopters instead of black? The UN hasn't done anything useful since the Korean War so there's absolutely nothing to fear from that gutless waste of money. We should focus our attention on the real threat posed by the drug armies on our border.

The scam outfit is a joke. But also taking up limited space, otherwise known as SOL (space-occupying lesion).
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Old 09-30-2010, 02:17 PM
 
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I can see how, as someone who works on these issues for a living, and capable of politely expressing a difference of opinion, I am duped and dumbed down. Perhaps in the future, I will show my intelligence by refusing to believe anyone who doesnt share my opinions to the letter can't possibly have anything to say.

Am I to infer from this post that in order not be "duped and dumbed down" I should never consider the validity of polite discourse? I considered the poster of that comment's opinion, expressed my own without insult... how silly of me.
No one is going to dismiss your views because you are presenting an idea they don't agree with and if they do, that's not good, but it sounded like you were making an excuse for undocumented immigration because of a weakening of the hospitality industry.

Also, how do you equate the hospitality industry to the "economy." It is a segment of the economy, but the hospitality industry has been taking hits for a while now.
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Old 09-30-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Washington, D.C.
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Perhaps I should have elaborated more. What I was trying to establish was that several aspects of our economy, hospitality being one, are supported heavily by illegal workers.

To deport them, and change those jobs over to be held by Americans would require the employers to pay minimum wage, more taxes, and comply with a host of restrictions. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the blame does not solely lie with those who are here illegally, but also with those who employ them for next to nothing and end up perpetuating the system.

Fixing the illegal immigration problem isnít confined to rounding up undocumented persons and deporting them en masse; it requires an overhaul of larger proportions is my point.

And I donít think making a comment pointing out why it may not behoove the country to do something means Iím dumbed down. Just saying.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Perhaps I should have elaborated more. What I was trying to establish was that several aspects of our economy, hospitality being one, are supported heavily by illegal workers.

To deport them, and change those jobs over to be held by Americans would require the employers to pay minimum wage, more taxes, and comply with a host of restrictions. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the blame does not solely lie with those who are here illegally, but also with those who employ them for next to nothing and end up perpetuating the system.

Fixing the illegal immigration problem isnít confined to rounding up undocumented persons and deporting them en masse; it requires an overhaul of larger proportions is my point.

And I donít think making a comment pointing out why it may not behoove the country to do something means Iím dumbed down. Just saying.
I was thinking that the DOL came out with a video a few months ago telling illegals if they aren't being paid minimum wages or are being mistreated they should report their employers as a path to citizenship.. I was wondering at the time how that would effect our economy.

Guess deporting won't change that after all if the illegals can now demand minimum wages.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Perhaps I should have elaborated more. What I was trying to establish was that several aspects of our economy, hospitality being one, are supported heavily by illegal workers.

To deport them, and change those jobs over to be held by Americans would require the employers to pay minimum wage, more taxes, and comply with a host of restrictions. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the blame does not solely lie with those who are here illegally, but also with those who employ them for next to nothing and end up perpetuating the system.

Fixing the illegal immigration problem isnít confined to rounding up undocumented persons and deporting them en masse; it requires an overhaul of larger proportions is my point.

And I donít think making a comment pointing out why it may not behoove the country to do something means Iím dumbed down. Just saying.
You might want to read the numerous posts in here whereby most of us do blame both the employer and the illegal. The pro-illegals don't want to lay any blame at all on the illegals and we all know they are both guilty.

If an employer can't pay at least minimum wage, the appropriate taxes and comply with our immigraton and labor laws along with safey standards, etc. then they don't deserve to be in business. I won't shed a tear for them.

Most of us in aren't advocating mass involuntary deportations. What we are advocating is voluntary self-deportations by removing the incentives to remain here such as jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship.
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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More liberal lingo

A criminal - a person in irregular circumstances
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:49 PM
 
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Another reason why we need to withdraw from that useless organization with an inherently strong liberal bias
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