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Old 08-31-2006, 02:58 PM
 
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I think some of you are missing the point. I don’t think anyone hates Mexicans or any other immigrant. The problem is the amount. There is a clear limit on the amount of immigrants that the US can handle. That limit has been reached. Spread out over time there isn't a problem.

Hey I like (love) beer, but there is a limit to the amount I can consume in a short amount of time. Too much in a short amount of time and there is a problem, spread the same amount out over several days and it’s just a refreshing cocktail.
I'd agree with this. But I think it's been hard for the immigrants to spread out all over the USA. Imagine how many areas are *just now complaining* about a problem that has been plaguing California for 20 years or more!

Also, I believe that a lot of immigrants are working AND paying taxes. It may not be their own personal social security number, but they are working under a social security number. Most companies will employ anyone with a social security number and they don't check it out that closely (unless threatened with government fines).

Anyway, I feel for the USA taxpayer and I feel for the hard-working immigrant who might also pay taxes.

I read too much on these boards that says "They hate Law & Order" "They love dirty things" and I have to speak out because I know this isn't true. I'm really disgusted with any American who would suggest that immigrants love being a lower class, that they think the USA should be like the slums of Tijuana, and that immigrants think that filth is a great thing.
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Old 08-31-2006, 04:46 PM
 
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Two points: 1) Identity fraud and theft, of SSI or anything, is NEVER excusable. How dare illegal immigrants think this is the ticket to employment in this country? Just one more example of thinking nonstop criminality is okay once you've done the illegal entry here.
2) Here's are two typical $1000 a month 2-bedroom apartment buildings in our neighborhood:

On my block, a diverse mix of assorted languages and English speakers, everyone keeps their dwelling nicely maintained for low income people, and I get the graffiti cleaned up by community service. On this block, about 4 blocks away, these apartment buildings are typical: debris in front, accordion razor wire, graffiti and trash everywhere, etc.

Lastly, here's link to an article http://washingtontimes.com/specialre...0740-3235r.htm that might explain the lack of cultural prohibitions against trash from some immigrants. For everyone's sake, I should point out that the article features both sides of the immigration debate. I know one of the interviewed individuals, Mr. Netkin, a fellow neighborhood activist. He is a truthseeker, and, lest you doubt his empathy, married to a woman from Mexico.
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Old 08-31-2006, 04:49 PM
 
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Default sorry, but....

I can't agree. I don't feel sorry for illegals because that's exactly what they are--Illegal. No, they shouldn't be paying taxes because they shouldn't be here using a stolen social security number.
I like the way they do things in Canada, ColdCanadian. By the way--has anyone checked out Mexico's immigration laws? I have.
I'm sorry, but if I hear one more Illegal say they have rights I think I'm going to scream! I live in a small community in Florida. I would like to work close to home. I can't because I'm not bilingual. I'm the US citizen and the job goes to someone who isn't because that person can speak the language of their country. Well, English is the language of my country and I shouldn't need to speak another lanuage.
I get so frustrated with this government. They are so concerned with their war in Iraq that they're not listening to the people and not seeing the problems here at home. I looked at the web address for the DEA. That really made me realize we all have to get the government to listen.
Now I have to go take a deep breath like elfyum did. I just get too upset talking about this. Their should be no discussion. It's Illegal plain and simple. Let me assure you, if I did something illegal I would have to face the consequences. http://www.city-data.com/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids, MN
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My husband the teacher's class parents say they hate the idea of educating their daughters, they should be home taking care of the rest of the family.
I can attest to this. I taught middle school ESL in Colorado for a couple years and worked with a lot of hispanic kids and their families (both legal and illegal.) I had one student...she was really shy and at first I thought she might even be a little slow..but it turns she was BRILLIANT and had been soaking evertying up like a sponge! One day she kind of opened up to me and I realized how much she had learned in such a short period of time. I did my best to keep encouraging her and even started talking about her future.

Then conferences came around and I was so excited to talk to her parents (who spoke only Spanish). They seemed really proud of her when I told them how well she was doing and I suggested some things she should do to get ready for high school (which they seemed OK with) but when I mentioned the idea of college, the just kind of shut down and said something about how they hope for her to be married with children by that age.

I understand the cultural differences here...but man, what a WASTE of talent and potential productivity!
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:41 PM
 
Location: huatulco, oaxaca, mexico
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Fast Film- Are you sure those apts aren`t in Eureka?

I know a little about mexican immigration laws Grammy164. Is there something you were going to share about it? And well, unfortunately, if the job calls for someone bilingual, well, obviously the bilingual person is more qualified.

Speaking of which- UB50- That`s the job I want- Do a lot of companies hire ESL teachers for their workers?
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:29 PM
 
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Grammy164, don't shoot the messenger, but California is about to pass laws legitimizing illegal kids to get tax-payer-funded scholarships to colleges here. Although I STRONGLY back elementary through high school education for free, for all here as education is the real bedrock of our country, I equally disagree with those who would put the concerns of illegals over the needs of the citizenry's students. California worthy scholars who wish to attend our expensive university system shouldn't be penalized, marginalized and ultimately shortchanged for those few scholarships because our particular state has a surfeit of illegals, which is a much stronger argument than the kids of illegals can't help what their parents did.

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Old 08-31-2006, 08:56 PM
 
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MidniteBreeze, thanks for the input. On topic of immigration, I often have to remind people that excepting North America, Scandinavia, some Asian countries, and Europe, most of the "diverse cultures" that every PCer is so adamant we adapt to actually still do not consider women to be in charge of their own destinies. Sad.
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:20 PM
 
Location: FL
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Wow lots of good responses/ideas going on here!

Thank you redNC for saying if for me-I was going to explain to mr gringo that I certainly have nothing against Mexicans. I DEFINATELY have something against ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!

And to ColdCanadian-I don't know what got confused, but I CERTAINLY wasn't putting down Canada!!! That was my POINT-that Canada would never allow such a thing-why do WE???!!!

It seems most people on these boards (& probably most US citizens in general) agree that we have a SERIOUS problem. And unfortunately it seems that alot of people who are hispanic, (or another nationality but obviously-look at the numbers-the main one we're talking about is hispanic & mostly Mexican!) or have a close association with them, become all politically correct & feel like they are being attacked in some way.

IT SIMPLY IS UNTRUE!!!

The things that have been said on this board about disrespect & not wanting to learn English etc are ALL TRUE!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES SOMEONE DOWN HERE IN MIAMI HAS HAD THE NERVE TO GET ANNOYED AT ME BECAUSE I DON'T SPEAK SPANISH?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and I DO NOT HAVE to speak any other language unless I CHOOSE to!!!!!!!!!

The people who come here DON'T (or SHOULDN'T) HAVE THAT LUXURY!!!!!!!!
They DO have to speak English. But because of all the PC BS, no one DOES anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mr gringo-YES I HAVE HEARD MANY MANY MANY TIMES-"THIS IS NOT MY COUNTRY I DON'T CARE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you need to visit Miami or LA or Tucson & get your head out of the sand!!!!!!!!!! Sorry to be rude but it just amazes me how some people just DON'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!!!!!

And it also amazes me how some people think that because someone LIES & FAKES a ss# but pays taxes that it's OK!!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So if I go steal from my rich neighbors (example) and give all the money to charity, IS THAT OK??????????? There are probably some wacked out libs out there who would say yes!!!!!!!!!! Steel from the rich, give to the poor!

Well that is what is called socialism. We are NOT a socialist country!!!!!!!!
AMERICA is based on being free to achieve! If someone makes billions of dollars, THEY DON'T OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I had that much money I would save all the animals!!!!!!!
But that's MY MONEY AND MY DECISION!!!!!!!!

Do I have to LIKE or RESPECT someone who is filthy rich & greedy/stingy? NO!!!!!!!! But do they owe poor people anything?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry it's so tough in Mexico. (and many other places - INCLUDING HERE!!!!!!!) But I DIDN'T DO IT!!!!!!! And I certainly shouldn't have to PAY for it!!!!!!! Monitarily, emotionaly or otherwise!!!!!!!

Life ain't fair. Why don't the Mexicans form groups there like we do here!
When the gays, or blacks or women have been descriminated against, they MARCH! Or they RIOT! They DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!! They didn't all flee to somewhere else!!!!!!!!!

I can't say anymore. If you don't understand, there's nothing I can do.
But most of us DO. And hopefully we will DO SOMETHING!!!!!! Go to numbersusa . com (split so not removed)

I have sent fax upon fax upon fax...And when I vote, I am basing my decisions on who agrees with the House!!!!!! I think this is THEE most important issue right now! Even though I disagree with other issues, I feel that we need to take care of this and FAST or the other issues won't even matter!!!!!! We'll all be going to Canada! Look out guys!!!!!
Make your vote count.

And by the way-non US citizens CAN'T VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who are there more of??????? Get off yer ass & BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The illegals don't know ANYTHING about our politics except to complain that they are the have-nots! Hmmmm-I'm surprised the democrats aren't trying to get them to the polls!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, I'm sure they're thinking of a way as I write this... )
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:39 PM
 
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Wow lots of good responses/ideas going on here!

Thank you redNC for saying if for me-I was going to explain to mr gringo that I certainly have nothing against Mexicans. I DEFINATELY have something against ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!

And to ColdCanadian-I don't know what got confused, but I CERTAINLY wasn't putting down Canada!!! That was my POINT-that Canada would never allow such a thing-why do WE???!!!

It seems most people on these boards (& probably most US citizens in general) agree that we have a SERIOUS problem. And unfortunately it seems that alot of people who are hispanic, (or another nationality but obviously-look at the numbers-the main one we're talking about is hispanic & mostly Mexican!) or have a close association with them, become all politically correct & feel like they are being attacked in some way.

IT SIMPLY IS UNTRUE!!!

The things that have been said on this board about disrespect & not wanting to learn English etc are ALL TRUE!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES SOMEONE DOWN HERE IN MIAMI HAS HAD THE NERVE TO GET ANNOYED AT ME BECAUSE I DON'T SPEAK SPANISH?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and I DO NOT HAVE to speak any other language unless I CHOOSE to!!!!!!!!!

The people who come here DON'T (or SHOULDN'T) HAVE THAT LUXURY!!!!!!!!
They DO have to speak English. But because of all the PC BS, no one DOES anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mr gringo-YES I HAVE HEARD MANY MANY MANY TIMES-"THIS IS NOT MY COUNTRY I DON'T CARE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you need to visit Miami or LA or Tucson & get your head out of the sand!!!!!!!!!! Sorry to be rude but it just amazes me how some people just DON'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!!!!!

And it also amazes me how some people think that because someone LIES & FAKES a ss# but pays taxes that it's OK!!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So if I go steal from my rich neighbors (example) and give all the money to charity, IS THAT OK??????????? There are probably some wacked out libs out there who would say yes!!!!!!!!!! Steel from the rich, give to the poor!

Well that is what is called socialism. We are NOT a socialist country!!!!!!!!
AMERICA is based on being free to achieve! If someone makes billions of dollars, THEY DON'T OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I had that much money I would save all the animals!!!!!!!
But that's MY MONEY AND MY DECISION!!!!!!!!

Do I have to LIKE or RESPECT someone who is filthy rich & greedy/stingy? NO!!!!!!!! But do they owe poor people anything?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry it's so tough in Mexico. (and many other places - INCLUDING HERE!!!!!!!) But I DIDN'T DO IT!!!!!!! And I certainly shouldn't have to PAY for it!!!!!!! Monitarily, emotionaly or otherwise!!!!!!!

Life ain't fair. Why don't the Mexicans form groups there like we do here!
When the gays, or blacks or women have been descriminated against, they MARCH! Or they RIOT! They DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!! They didn't all flee to somewhere else!!!!!!!!!

I can't say anymore. If you don't understand, there's nothing I can do.
But most of us DO. And hopefully we will DO SOMETHING!!!!!! Go to numbersusa . com (split so not removed)

I have sent fax upon fax upon fax...And when I vote, I am basing my decisions on who agrees with the House!!!!!! I think this is THEE most important issue right now! Even though I disagree with other issues, I feel that we need to take care of this and FAST or the other issues won't even matter!!!!!! We'll all be going to Canada! Look out guys!!!!!
Make your vote count.

And by the way-non US citizens CAN'T VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who are there more of??????? Get off yer ass & BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The illegals don't know ANYTHING about our politics except to complain that they are the have-nots! Hmmmm-I'm surprised the democrats aren't trying to get them to the polls!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, I'm sure they're thinking of a way as I write this... )
Well said....in a word..."illegal." That is the part that upsets me. The UMC minister in Chicago providing for the illegal (twice) woman and her son who was born here, keeps saying the laws are bad and need to be changed! So that makes it right to break the law?? This man is a disgrace to the United Methodist Church and I hope his church sanctions him.
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Old 08-31-2006, 11:40 PM
 
Location: FL
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Exclamation For Anyone Interested

Pat Buchanan will be a guest tonight on Coast To Coast AM (website is that name all strung together with a .com) He will be on at 2AM East Coast time. I just thought I'd post for anyone who'd like to listen since he will be discussing his new book "State Of Emergency" dealing with this exact topic. I'm a regular listener anyway-great show! Some real informative stuff, some real way out there stuff, but a great show. Check it out! It gives the local radio stations on the website. (click "affiliates" on the left)
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