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Old 10-19-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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How did Whitman get around her notification for her illegal? I don't know, I'm just asking. It must not be hard to avoid currently or employers are ignoring it.
Did Whitman use E-verify to hire her employee? And did the employee recieve a TNC?
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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Did Whitman use E-verify to hire her employee? And did the employee recieve a TNC?
No, she hired her through an agency. So it was up to the agency to verify Diaz's elgibility to work in this country.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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My whole point in all of this is my disappointment that when I actually come up with something that may better help prevent employers from unknowingly hiring illegal immigrants and when I ask for some feedback on it all I hear is crickets chirp....yet people on here are constantly saying we need to punish employers for providing employment to people who aren't legally authorized to be here. Well, my thought process on that is that once the government puts checks and tools into place that employers can use to prevent this from happening then they can better hold them accountable to it later.

The problem with the current system is that many illegal immigrants are able to get employment with false or stolen ID documents. My whole point is that this is something that can be corrected and I think it is worth discussing. So please put aside any other argument I've brought up in any other topic and let's focus on the proposal I've made or what other potential things could be done to prevent people from getting work who shouldn't be.
I haven't a clue what you are talking about. You made suggestions to improve e-verify and I said by all means if there is a way to improve the already high percentage of accuracy of e-verify by all means I am all for it.

There were no crickets chirping on what your proposed. Several people including myself responsed to you on that.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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How did Whitman get around her notification for her illegal? I don't know, I'm just asking. It must not be hard to avoid currently or employers are ignoring it.
You mean considering the official SSA mismatch notice SPECIFICALLY directs employers against taking any action against the employee on the basis of the notice?
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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There's some interesting points made re e-verify etc in this article.....among them this one regarding the SSA 'no match' notifications -

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In 2007 there were over 8 million “no-matches” in the Social Security database and SSA and DHS wanted to mail letters to 140,000 employers advising them of whose information wasn’t matching up. The mailing of the “no-match” letters was stopped by a lawsuit filed by the AFL-CIO, the ACLU and other “end users” of illegal alien labor. They did not even want the employers notified about workers whose info didn’t match. The idea was abandoned by the feds in November of 2009.
The Meg Whitman Affair is Just a Sideshow - San Francisco Immigration | Examiner.com
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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My whole argument for the photo tool is that beyond photo substitution, which this tool will catch, how else would a stolen ID work because it should be fairly obvious to the hiring manager that the photo on the stolen ID wouldn't match the applicant (since it obviously would be somebody else in the photo).
Theoretically, the employer is supposed to catch that during the Form I-9 process, but they are told to be conservative and should only reject a document if they are reasonably sure the document is fake or the photo clearly is not of the employee.

That's not always as simple as it might sound especially for junior level staff that hasn't been adequately trained.

One of the arguments for biometrics, fingerprints or otherwise, is that it removes most the subjectivity in verifying identity. It does, on the other hand, open a whole new set of issues.
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Old 10-21-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You mean considering the official SSA mismatch notice SPECIFICALLY directs employers against taking any action against the employee on the basis of the notice?
Untill or unless the employee does not challenge the Tentative Nonconfirmation (TNC) letter. If an employee does not challenge the TNC, he may be fired.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Well if you read my prior post it seems SSA is no longer even sending out those notices.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Did Whitman use E-verify to hire her employee? And did the employee recieve a TNC?
E-verify was not in place when the ex maid was hired in 2000 so the point is moot.
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Old 10-21-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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E-verify was not in place when the ex maid was hired in 2000 so the point is moot.
Actually, the answer would be no; there was(is) no point.
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