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Old 10-15-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How much more bizarre can it get?

Illegal aliens getting in-state college tuition?
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Old 10-15-2010, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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This is a very good question -

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The odd thing is that Hunt claims that we need to offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants to produce a more educated work force. Yet we are told by pundits and those who support open immigration that these same immigrants are necessary to take low paying and unskilled jobs that Americans are unwilling to take. Well, which is it?
especially considering these illegals are not SUPPOSED to be working in this country anyway.
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Old 10-15-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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In 2001, Republican Texas of all places was the first to grant in-state tuition rates to illegals.

Number of illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition for Texas colleges rises | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

Rick Perry supports the law aiding illegal immigrant students. In a recent debate, he said the students are on the path to citizenship. However, they actually won't be on that path unless the Dream Act passes.

Illegal immigrants entering Texas' higher education system are direct beneficiaries of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, Plyler vs. Doe. Parents in Tyler sued after the state began charging tuition for illegal immigrant children. The court ruled that Texas and the rest of the country must educate illegal immigrant children free of charge in public schools.


Plyler v. Doe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case opinions
Majority:
Brennan (appt. by Eisenhower)
Marshall (Johnson)
Blackmun (Nixon)
Powell (Nixon)
Stevens (Ford)

Dissent:
Burger (Nixon)
White (Kennedy)
Rehnquist (Reagan)
O'Connor (Reagan)

The court majority found that the Texas law was "directed against children, and impose[d] its discriminatory burden on the basis of a legal characteristic over which children can have little control" — namely, the fact of their having been brought illegally into the United States by their parents. The majority also observed that denying the children in question a proper education would likely contribute to "the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries, surely adding to the problems and costs of unemployment, welfare, and crime." The majority refused to accept that any substantial state interest would be served by discrimination on this basis, and it struck down the Texas law.

The dissent agreed in principle that it was unwise for illegal alien children to be denied a public education, but the four dissenting justices argued that the Texas law was not so objectionable as to be unconstitutional...
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Old 10-15-2010, 06:58 PM
 
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In 2001, Republican Texas of all places was the first to grant in-state tuition rates to illegals.

Number of illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition for Texas colleges rises | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

Rick Perry supports the law aiding illegal immigrant students. In a recent debate, he said the students are on the path to citizenship. However, they actually won't be on that path unless the Dream Act passes.

Illegal immigrants entering Texas' higher education system are direct beneficiaries of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, Plyler vs. Doe. Parents in Tyler sued after the state began charging tuition for illegal immigrant children. The court ruled that Texas and the rest of the country must educate illegal immigrant children free of charge in public schools.

Plyler v. Doe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case opinions
Majority:
Brennan (appt. by Eisenhower)
Marshall (Johnson)
Blackmun (Nixon)
Powell (Nixon)
Stevens (Ford)

Dissent:
Burger (Nixon)
White (Kennedy)
Rehnquist (Reagan)
O'Connor (Reagan)

The court majority found that the Texas law was "directed against children, and impose[d] its discriminatory burden on the basis of a legal characteristic over which children can have little control" — namely, the fact of their having been brought illegally into the United States by their parents. The majority also observed that denying the children in question a proper education would likely contribute to "the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries, surely adding to the problems and costs of unemployment, welfare, and crime." The majority refused to accept that any substantial state interest would be served by discrimination on this basis, and it struck down the Texas law.

The dissent agreed in principle that it was unwise for illegal alien children to be denied a public education, but the four dissenting justices argued that the Texas law was not so objectionable as to be unconstitutional...
I just don't understand this kind of logic. According to our laws those illegal parents and their illegal kids should be deported but instead of enforcing those laws which would eliminate the education issue we instead let them and their parents stay here and educate them on our dime. Sometimes I truly think I have entered the twilight zone.

Educating their children is one of the incentives that keeps them here. Why can't our government see that?
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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All I know is that if Ohio ever acknowledges that it is providing instate tuition to undocumented students then I am contacting a good attorney to sue the state of Ohio. I had to leave my university because they would not grant me instate tuition even after I had been working there for song long, but left for home in the summers. That's messed up that someone who is illegally here can go to school for instate rates, but I have to move back home because it is too expensive.

There should be a class action lawsuit or something for all people who are affected by this.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:29 PM
 
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It would almost be stupid to be an honest lawabiding American or lawabiding foreign student.

The foreign students who respect the laws would have it the worst of anyone, they generally have the highest tuition rates. Why should they be stupid and get student visas when those students who break the laws get a big discount? But also if foreigners can break the laws and be rewarded, then it seems that Americans should not be penalized with higher tuition than the lawbreakers.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
In 2001, Republican Texas of all places was the first to grant in-state tuition rates to illegals.

Number of illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition for Texas colleges rises | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

Rick Perry supports the law aiding illegal immigrant students. In a recent debate, he said the students are on the path to citizenship. However, they actually won't be on that path unless the Dream Act passes.

Illegal immigrants entering Texas' higher education system are direct beneficiaries of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, Plyler vs. Doe. Parents in Tyler sued after the state began charging tuition for illegal immigrant children. The court ruled that Texas and the rest of the country must educate illegal immigrant children free of charge in public schools.

Plyler v. Doe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case opinions
Majority:
Brennan (appt. by Eisenhower)
Marshall (Johnson)
Blackmun (Nixon)
Powell (Nixon)
Stevens (Ford)

Dissent:
Burger (Nixon)
White (Kennedy)
Rehnquist (Reagan)
O'Connor (Reagan)

The court majority found that the Texas law was "directed against children, and impose[d] its discriminatory burden on the basis of a legal characteristic over which children can have little control" namely, the fact of their having been brought illegally into the United States by their parents. The majority also observed that denying the children in question a proper education would likely contribute to "the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries, surely adding to the problems and costs of unemployment, welfare, and crime." The majority refused to accept that any substantial state interest would be served by discrimination on this basis, and it struck down the Texas law.

The dissent agreed in principle that it was unwise for illegal alien children to be denied a public education, but the four dissenting justices argued that the Texas law was not so objectionable as to be unconstitutional...
I think youre comparring apples and oranges. Although Plyler v Doe did allow all children to attend public school(for free)regardless of their immigrtion status, that case did not include free tuition to public Colleges and Universities.

Each State sets its "In-State" tution rates and who qualifies.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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I think youre comparring apples and oranges. Although Plyler v Doe did allow all children to attend public school(for free)regardless of their immigrtion status, that case did not include free tuition to public Colleges and Universities.
Correct. I'm not making that case. Not all states allow resident illegals to get in-state university tuition rates. Apparently it made sense to Perry and the Texas legislature as Texas was the first in 2001 and now about 1 percent of all Texas college students get the benefit.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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Since Jose was the number one popular name for boys in both TX and CA in 1984, everyone is a little late to notice that there is a pervasive and invasive problem. I think the 2 parties get away with never doing anything about it, no matter who is in as POTUS or who has a Congressional majority because no-matter-what, the people will always blame the other party. When 9/11 happened Homeland Security was trumpeted as important enough to start the Patriot Act and citizens have their emails snooped and their bodies groped on a regular basis yet the Federal government allows half a million people who mostly do not believe in birth control to flood in the open borders every year and far from discouraging them via mass deportation, they actually have far more services geared to them than people who emigrated legally or natural born citizens, not born to illegals. So now they are offering in state tuition to illegals when the excuse for letting them stay was that they only take jobs no one else will do. Not surprised at all and also expect the deluded Americans to keep voting R&D until this nation is barrios and gated communities just like where the illegals left.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Since Jose was the number one popular name for boys in both TX and CA in 1984, everyone is a little late to notice that there is a pervasive and invasive problem. I think the 2 parties get away with never doing anything about it, no matter who is in as POTUS or who has a Congressional majority because no-matter-what, the people will always blame the other party. When 9/11 happened Homeland Security was trumpeted as important enough to start the Patriot Act and citizens have their emails snooped and their bodies groped on a regular basis yet the Federal government allows half a million people who mostly do not believe in birth control to flood in the open borders every year and far from discouraging them via mass deportation, they actually have far more services geared to them than people who emigrated legally or natural born citizens, not born to illegals. So now they are offering in state tuition to illegals when the excuse for letting them stay was that they only take jobs no one else will do. Not surprised at all and also expect the deluded Americans to keep voting R&D until this nation is barrios and gated communities just like where the illegals left.
Funny which side hates any attempt to secure the border with a fence and deportations?
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