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Old 10-20-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Benicar, why be so obtuse? I think the point is that if the constitution is changed, there will be no need for legislation in 14 states. If you want to deny citizenship to anchor babies, work to amend the constitution; legislation by the states is pointless.
The tremendous tax drain is the impetus for this legislation. Unfortunately, it will take much longer to amend the Constitution than to pass state laws. Granted, they cannot deny citizenship at the state level. However, they can require proof of citizenship for tax-funded services, with the exception of a public school education and emergency medical care. This would end the practice of entire families being supported by taxpayers simply because illegals manage to give birth on U.S. soil.

I suspect these states are simply trying to raise awareness and garner support, somewhat similar to SB 1070. The citizens of this country need to realize the fiscal impact of conferring citizenship on untold millions of children of illegal aliens. If the average citizen knew the true magnitude of Birthright Citizenship, there would be mega support for rescinding this obscenely abused amendment.

As for being obtuse, you would have to understand the dynamics at play. I canít explain here without violating TOS.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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The tremendous tax drain is the impetus for this legislation. Unfortunately, it will take much longer to amend the Constitution than to pass state laws. Granted, they cannot deny citizenship at the state level. However, they can require proof of citizenship for tax-funded services, with the exception of a public school education and emergency medical care. This would end the practice of entire families being supported by taxpayers simply because illegals manage to give birth on U.S. soil.

I suspect these states are simply trying to raise awareness and garner support, somewhat similar to SB 1070. The citizens of this country need to realize the fiscal impact of conferring citizenship on untold millions of children of illegal aliens. If the average citizen knew the true magnitude of Birthright Citizenship, there would be mega support for rescinding this obscenely abused amendment.

As for being obtuse, you would have to understand the dynamics at play. I canít explain here without violating TOS.
what does that have to do with amending the 14th or citizenship?

Any state can pass legislation banning tax dollars going to illegal aliens. That has nothing to do with "Anchor Children". You are speaking of tax dollars going to American citizens of illegal parents and tax dollars going to illegals. Two distinctly different cases.

You state [in the second highlighted passage] that services, except emergency medical and education, could be denied if the person is not a citizen...how does that correct "Anchor Babies"[american kids] recieving all services and illegal parents living off those...as is contended.

It doesnt does it.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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The United States of America:

- All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
I am sure those countries that modified their birthright citizenships had similar langauge in their original constitutions but they still were able to change it. By the way per your own quote ours says "AND" subject to the jurisidiction. These anchor's parents aren't subject to our jurisidiction only if they commit a crime here. The wording of the 14th and the documented intent of it by the writer's of it were very clear. Anchors nor their parents are subject to our jurisdiction.
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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what does that have to do with amending the 14th or citizenship?

Any state can pass legislation banning tax dollars going to illegal aliens. That has nothing to do with "Anchor Children". You are speaking of tax dollars going to American citizens of illegal parents and tax dollars going to illegals. Two distinctly different cases.

You state [in the second highlighted passage] that services, except emergency medical and education, could be denied if the person is not a citizen...how does that correct "Anchor Babies"[american kids] recieving all services and illegal parents living off those...as is contended.

It doesnt does it.
In case you donít know, a HUGE incentive for illegals to give birth in this country is to avail themselves of our tax-funded benefits. Illegal alien parents are the recipients of the funds, housing, etc., and this scam is bankrupting states.

We have had this discussion more than enough times for you to understand the relevance.
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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In case you donít know, a HUGE incentive for illegals to give birth in this country is to avail themselves of our tax-funded benefits. Illegal alien parents are the recipients of the funds, housing, etc., and this scam is bankrupting states.

We have had this discussion more than enough times for you to understand the relevance.
Not only that but many of these parents are under the delusional idea that if they give birth on our soil that will somehow sway our government to allow them to stay here via an amnesty. The way that Obama and many of our politicians are talking about just that it is no wonder that it gives these illegal parents that hope.
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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Not only that but many of these parents are under the delusional idea that if they give birth on our soil that will somehow sway our government to allow them to stay here via an amnesty. The way that Obama and many of our politicians are talking about just that it is no wonder that it gives these illegal parents that hope.
Absolutely! Remember, if we deport the parents, we will separate families; so naturally, they must stay here and raise their children.

Obviously, the children many of these illegals abandon to come here are inconsequential, and THAT behavior does not constitute the separation of families. However, I am sure the abandoned children back in Mexico and other countries would beg to differ.

In any case, birthright citizenship must end, regardless of the measures that must be taken.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Absolutely! Remember, if we deport the parents, we will separate families; so naturally, they must stay here and raise their children.

Obviously, the children many of these illegals abandon to come here are inconsequential, and THAT behavior does not constitute the separation of families. However, I am sure the abandoned children back in Mexico and other countries would beg to differ.

In any case, birthright citizenship must end, regardless of the measures that must be taken.
It should be one of the top three priorities as a solution to end our tremendous tax debt, stopping the mockery of our precious citizenship, controlling our population growth and it would be a huge deterrant to illegal aliens jumping our border.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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Benicar, why be so obtuse? I think the point is that if the constitution is changed, there will be no need for legislation in 14 states. If you want to deny citizenship to anchor babies, work to amend the constitution; legislation by the states is pointless.
The point of passing the law is that these states KNOW there will be a court battle over these laws and the lawmakers are intending to take this to the Supreme Court in hopes of re-interpreting the 14th Amendment to NOT include anchor babies
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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With the huge majority of us wanting this to end, in time it will be stopped.

We can no longer allow a criminal trespasser to have babies in our country and hand their babies citizenship.

They are here illegals therefore the baby and the mom need to be deported back to their home country and get in line like everyone else.

She is committing a crime for being here and this has to be stopped.

This is NOT just a tea party issue, this stretches the 75% or so of the American people who want this to end.

We cannot afford to take care of any more welfare tax sucking people who should not be here in the first place.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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The point of passing the law is that these states KNOW there will be a court battle over these laws and the lawmakers are intending to take this to the Supreme Court in hopes of re-interpreting the 14th Amendment to NOT include anchor babies
Whatever it takes to bring this issue to the front burner all the way up to the Supreme Court would be a huge step in taking our country back.
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