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Old 10-21-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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No, what I said was that a child born to a parent or parents that have a LEGAL presence in the United States but are NOT U.S. citizens or Permanent Residents. For example, a college student from another country- such as England let's say- is here on a student visa. She becomes pregnant and has a baby while in the United States. If she wants the baby to be a citizen of the United States, should should have to declare that desire at the time that the baby is born. There are many people that have babies in the United States that never intended for the baby to be a citizen of the USA.
For example a mother to be in the small city of Windsor Canada with a difficult or multiple pregnancy might be sent across the river to the large city of Detroit to give birth because maybe Detroit, being a large metro has hospitals and specialist more equipped to handle such a thing. If the mother has the baby in Detroit, it is quite obvious that she does not intend for the baby to be a citizen of the USA but of Canada.

the problem with your proposal is that when that child is born in the US, he has all the rights and protections as any other American citizen; and If the mother would like to take the child back to the home counrty and raise them as they see fit...that is her prerogative/right, but the child will never cease being an American citizen, and the laws of the United States will not ask that child/person to ever declare their citizenship. The US allows citizens them to claim dual citizenship.

Again, giving the parent the option to deny the child American citizenship at his birth is allowing a Foriegn national to decide for an American citizen his citizenship.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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FYI - Citizenship comes with obligatory civic duties - jury duty, militia duty, etc.
13th amendment abolished involuntary servitude in the States united.
The Supreme court ruled that obligatory civic duties are NOT involuntary servitude.

How did an infant "volunteer" to be a citizen / subject?

Can't have it both ways - either involuntary servitude is banned or -shudder- the 14th amendment has no applicability in the States united, where slavery was abolished.

Go read the law for yourself. . . Or just imitate Congress and just assume you "know" what it really says.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:33 PM
 
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FYI - Citizenship comes with obligatory civic duties - jury duty, militia duty, etc.
13th amendment abolished involuntary servitude in the States united.
The Supreme court ruled that obligatory civic duties are NOT involuntary servitude.

How did an infant "volunteer" to be a citizen / subject?

Can't have it both ways - either involuntary servitude is banned or -shudder- the 14th amendment has no applicability in the States united, where slavery was abolished.

Go read the law for yourself. . . Or just imitate Congress and just assume you "know" what it really says.
Clap, clap, clap.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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FYI - Citizenship comes with obligatory civic duties - jury duty, militia duty, etc.
13th amendment abolished involuntary servitude in the States united.
The Supreme court ruled that obligatory civic duties are NOT involuntary servitude.

How did an infant "volunteer" to be a citizen / subject?

Can't have it both ways - either involuntary servitude is banned or -shudder- the 14th amendment has no applicability in the States united, where slavery was abolished.

Go read the law for yourself. . . Or just imitate Congress and just assume you "know" what it really says.
The infant volunteered by being born. Same way I did.

In a time of say required military service an anchor baby is required to perfom like any other US citizen. If they don't they are subject to whatever penalities are imposed.

Why are you making this complex? It is not. They are simply one of the herd.
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Old 10-22-2010, 06:24 PM
 
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The infant volunteered by being born. Same way I did.

In a time of say required military service an anchor baby is required to perfom like any other US citizen. If they don't they are subject to whatever penalities are imposed.

Why are you making this complex? It is not. They are simply one of the herd.
Congratulations, you win the beaming approval of the propaganda ministry. You have embraced slavery (compulsory duty) as a condition of birth.

Until I read the law, myself, I didn't have a clue, either.

Have some fun, and go to your local county courthouse law library and look up the numerous citations wherein it states that American PEOPLE are sovereigns. And then look up citations wherein U.S. citizens are SUBJECTS.

Sovereign people and subject citizens are mutually exclusive.

Then carefully read the 13th and 14th amendment, and pay attention to plural versus singular construction.

Slavery was abolished in the United States and any place subject to THEIR jurisdiction. U.S. citizens are born or naturalized under the jurisdiction of the "United States" government. Anyone born a "subject", can't be a sovereign.

FYI - the U.S. government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.

Caveat - wear kneepads when you go to the law library. At some point, you may fall to your knees, and weep uncontrollably, as you realize what has been lost to us.

Oh, and in case you don't really believe that there are non-citizen American nationals (who were BORN in the USA of American parentage), and who are not SUBJECTS of that foreign corporation in Washington, DC, check out this document:
https://www.pcip.gov/PreExistingConditionPlan_EnrollmentForm_082310_508 .pdf (broken link)
On Page 1, Section 3:
[] I am a noncitizen national of the United States

Also note that though U.S. citizens have to provide 'their SSN', American nationals do not. (Form SS-5, application for an account and number, is only for U.S. citizens / U.S. residents. American nationals / free inhabitants are not eligible - and wouldn't wish to participate in that abomination.)
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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https://www.pcip.gov/PreExistingConditionPlan_EnrollmentForm_082310_508 .pdf (broken link)
On Page 1, Section 3:
[] I am a noncitizen national of the United States
CAVEAT - if ever 51% of Americans withdrew consent to be governed, renounced citizenship and restored their status as noncitizen American nationals, canceled all contracts for usury with the Federal Reserve corporation, and re-established their domicile in the United States of America, it would precipitate a collapse of the current socialist regime, as well as void the public debt and burst the bubble value of Federal Reserve Notes.
[] All entitlements would cease, as well, since the 51% would represent the bulk of tax payers, leaving behind recipients and bureaucrats, who are dependent upon them.

[] Without sufficient human collateral, the "dollar bill" would cease to have legal tender status. Likewise, the 13+ trillion DOLLAR public debt would be exposed as the fraud that it is. And the U.S. Congress might resign en masse, and emigrate to nations that do not extradite.

It is a bitter medicine, but to forgo it, will only result in the rise of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - sometime around 2012.
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:24 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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CAVEAT - if ever 51% of Americans withdrew consent to be governed, renounced citizenship and restored their status as noncitizen American nationals, canceled all contracts for usury with the Federal Reserve corporation, and re-established their domicile in the United States of America, it would precipitate a collapse of the current socialist regime, as well as void the public debt and burst the bubble value of Federal Reserve Notes.
[] All entitlements would cease, as well, since the 51% would represent the bulk of tax payers, leaving behind recipients and bureaucrats, who are dependent upon them.

[] Without sufficient human collateral, the "dollar bill" would cease to have legal tender status. Likewise, the 13+ trillion DOLLAR public debt would be exposed as the fraud that it is. And the U.S. Congress might resign en masse, and emigrate to nations that do not extradite.

It is a bitter medicine, but to forgo it, will only result in the rise of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - sometime around 2012.
Why not have God Almighty appear surrounded by the heavenly chorus to proclaim that Rush Limbaugh is correct and all should follow his direction?

Go for it...should be fun watching.
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Old 10-22-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Sounds great but is it Constitutional for a State to deny something in the Constitution.
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:15 AM
 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the term "anchor baby" a fallacy. Yes, granted by the 14th an individual born here is granted citizenship but that doesn't "anchor" the parent/parents here. I think the age the child has to be to make his parents citizens is 20 or 21 and even then, that's no walk in the park.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:07 AM
 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the term "anchor baby" a fallacy. Yes, granted by the 14th an individual born here is granted citizenship but that doesn't "anchor" the parent/parents here. I think the age the child has to be to make his parents citizens is 20 or 21 and even then, that's no walk in the park.
That's true, however that is the perception of the illegal parents. They think that their child's tie to this country will sway another amnesty for them or they are willing to wait till the child reaches adulthood and can then sponsor them and their extended family members in the homeland waiting to come here. They are also able to collect all kinds of welfare for their anchor kids. There is enough incentive in birthright citizenship for them to reproduce on our soil.
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