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Old 10-20-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It’s only a matter of time. Eventually, illegals won't be able to fleece the taxpayers of this country through the despicable exploitation of their U.S.-born children.

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PHOENIX -- Lawmakers in at least 14 states announced Tuesday they are working on legislation to deny U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, although they weren't specific about how they plan to do it.

Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce said he and the lawmakers have a working draft of their model legislation and have consulted constitutional scholars to change the 14th Amendment and deny automatic citizenship.
Lawmakers in 14 States Craft Bill to Deny Citizenship to 'Anchor Babies' - FoxNews.com
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Old 10-20-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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PHOENIX -- Lawmakers in at least 14 states announced Tuesday they are working on legislation to deny U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, although they weren't specific about how they plan to do it.

Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce said he and the lawmakers have a working draft of their model legislation and have consulted constitutional scholars to change the 14th Amendment and deny automatic citizenship.

Wait...Sen. Pearce is missing something here, or the writer of this piece does not know that "Legislation" can not "change" an Amendment to the Constitution.

I hope Sen. Pearce is not that naive...so this must be another Hack writer with little or no knowledge of the Constitution.
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Old 10-20-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wait...Sen. Pearce is missing something here, or the writer of this piece does not know that "Legislation" can not "change" an Amendment to the Constitution.

I hope Sen. Pearce is not that naive...so this must be another Hack writer with little or no knowledge of the Constitution.
Comprehension is key. Each state is drafting “legislation” which will be determined by constitutional scholars, who ultimately intend to assist in amending the Constitution to deny citizenship to children of illegal aliens.
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Old 10-20-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Comprehension is key. Each state is drafting “legislation” which will be determined by constitutional scholars, who ultimately intend to assist in amending the Constitution to deny citizenship to children of illegal aliens.

LOL...I agree. but your typing it out long form doesnt change the fact...Legislation, whether by one or 14 states, can not change an Amendment to the constitution...I can not be any clearer.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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LOL...I agree. but your typing it out long form doesnt change the fact...Legislation, whether by one or 14 states, can not change an Amendment to the constitution...I can not be any clearer.
Given that I have not even remotely implied such, there is absolutely nothing to clarify. I gather you have no comments on the actual topic of this thread.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Countries with modified jus soli laws:

UK:
- one parent must be a citizen or legal resident
- or the child lives in the UK until age 10

Australia:
- one parent must be a citizen or legal resident
- or the child lives in Australia until age 10

Republic of Ireland:
- one parent must be a citizen (of Ireland or the UK) or a legal resident

New Zealand:
- one parent must be a citizen (of NZ or Australia) or a legal resident

South Africa:
- one parent must be a citizen or a legal resident
- or 4 years of physical residency in SA

France:
- one parent born in France
- or at age 18, if resident in France with at least 5 years' residence since age 11

Germany:
- one parent must be a citizen or a legal resident for 3 years
- or parent has been residing in Germany for at least eight years.

Jus soli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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Benicar, why be so obtuse? I think the point is that if the constitution is changed, there will be no need for legislation in 14 states. If you want to deny citizenship to anchor babies, work to amend the constitution; legislation by the states is pointless.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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legislation by the states is pointless.
I believe the objective is to introduce state legislation that will be challenged by the feds and hopefully lead to a Supreme Court re-interpretation of the 14th Amendment. A pressure tactic so they can issue state birth certificates stamped with "not a legal resident" and withhold state services. I don't understand that tactic as no matter how it is interpreted it is still a federal responsibility that the states can't legislate. A constitutional amendment is highly unlikely as it requires 2/3 majority in both Houses and 3/4 of all states (38) to ratify. In the end it won't go anywhere and is just state politicians trying to milk an emotional issue and ride a tea party wave to re-election.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Benicar, why be so obtuse? I think the point is that if the constitution is changed, there will be no need for legislation in 14 states. If you want to deny citizenship to anchor babies, work to amend the constitution; legislation by the states is pointless.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Countries with modified jus soli laws:

UK:
- one parent must be a citizen or legal resident
- or the child lives in the UK until age 10

Australia:
- one parent must be a citizen or legal resident
- or the child lives in Australia until age 10

Republic of Ireland:
- one parent must be a citizen (of Ireland or the UK) or a legal resident

New Zealand:
- one parent must be a citizen (of NZ or Australia) or a legal resident

South Africa:
- one parent must be a citizen or a legal resident
- or 4 years of physical residency in SA

France:
- one parent born in France
- or at age 18, if resident in France with at least 5 years' residence since age 11

Germany:
- one parent must be a citizen or a legal resident for 3 years
- or parent has been residing in Germany for at least eight years.

Jus soli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The United States of America:

- All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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