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Old 10-21-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I've been looking for a place to post this on the internet, and I figure this is as good a place as any. Long post, may lack coherency since im typing this up really fast before i go to work...

Story: I get rear-ended by a van in SE austin, i roll down my window and point to a empty church parking lot so me and the driver of the van can assess the damage. I can see as i get out of my car that the van is packed with hispanic people, had to be at least 10 + the driver. Driver gets out along with another guy and we see that I have a busted brake light.

Now this is the part where I get extremely pissed off. I'm a chinese guy, but I've taken 3 years of spanish and studied abroad in Spain, so I'm pretty fluent in Spanish. The driver of the van spoke perfect english, no problem. But the guy who got out with him started speaking spanish, and he looked at the driver and said "Why didn't you just keep driving after he pulled into the church? He wouldn't of chased you, now he will probably call the police.... what should we do, we paid you money and you said this would not happen. should we stay in the van or go to one of the fast food places close by and wait?" The driver tells the guy, straight up, "You don't have anything to worry about, the police will only check my ID, and in this city they arent allowed to ask you about your status so stay in the van." My anger is overwhelming at this point, but I figure I'll just tell the police when they come. Cop arrives, gets the guys details insurance ect., everything checks out apparently.

I ask the officer if i can have a private conversation with him off to the side, and I tell him everything that happened, how one of the guys in the car wanted to just drive away after the accident, and how they seemed nervous as hell about the police showing up, and that I thought the driver might be smuggling these people into the country. The officer said he thought it was suspicious too, but that he could only check the ID of the driver per city policy, and he checked out fine. So there was nothing he could do... and he let the guy go on his way.

Anyways. I'm a pretty liberal guy. I don't hate immigrants, being one myself. But it just seemed like this guy was blatantly smuggling people into the country and the police couldnt do **** about it, and it baffles my mind. And the fact that driver seemed arrogant as hell like he knew the police couldnt do anything pissed me off even more.

Just wondering what everyones opinion is on this? am i overreacting? is my anger misdirected?
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: 78747
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**** yes, you should be angry about it. I wasn't involved and I'm angry about it. The next question is to ask what you can do about it. Write to a congressman, email media outlets (The Statesman, KVUE, KXAN,) and relay this story - create a minor uproar. Maybe it will get Doggett's attention.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Creedmoor, TX
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**** yes, you should be angry about it. I wasn't involved and I'm angry about it. The next question is to ask what you can do about it. Write to a congressman, email media outlets (The Statesman, KVUE, KXAN,) and relay this story - create a minor uproar. Maybe it will get Doggett's attention.
So totally agree with jobert! Most definitely get the press involved!
Were you able to get any identifting details about the people involved?? This would be a great story for KEYE or Fox 7!
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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I would be annoyed at the man for suggesting a hit and run, but I have to ask...what did you do in response? Did you tell him you understood him and you didn't appreciate it? Did you speak up for yourself? What is it you think that "those people" who you are assuming are illegal immigrants are going to do? Clean your house or office building for substandard wages? Pick your fruit and vegetables in terrible conditions for little money? Build your house for day wages?
I think your anger is misdirected. Be mad at the man for suggesting a crime done against you. Don't be mad at something you can't prove and has, really, nothing to do with you.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: 78747
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I would be annoyed at the man for suggesting a hit and run, but I have to ask...what did you do in response? Did you tell him you understood him and you didn't appreciate it? Did you speak up for yourself? What is it you think that "those people" who you are assuming are illegal immigrants are going to do? Clean your house or office building for substandard wages? Pick your fruit and vegetables in terrible conditions for little money? Build your house for day wages?
I think your anger is misdirected. Be mad at the man for suggesting a crime done against you. Don't be mad at something you can't prove and has, really, nothing to do with you.
The obvious participation in illegal activity has apparently lead this man to contemplate the hit-and-run in the first place..

Would YOU have spoken up? Or would you rather listen for as much incriminating evidence as possible and try to get through the situation? No reason to speak up until the cops get there, they're SUPPOSE to handle any possible conflict, that's their jobs.. not yours - especially when outnumbered 10:1.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Yes, in this situation, I would speak up. If (IF) they were doing something illegal, they wouldn't be likely to make the situation worse. I stand by my statements.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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Higher level ethical issues aside, there is certainly something the OP _could_ have done, and that would have been to openly told the cop that he understood what the driver/passenger were saying. If the driver/passengers do nothing, then nothing can come of it. However (and I would hazard to guess more likely) if one or more high tale it (or do something else stupid), then the officer would then have probable cause to question them.

Got to hand it to the driver of the van though, obviously someone with experience.
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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you've got the id info on the other vehicle and driver -- take it to ICE and let them investigate -- that's their job
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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really, nothing to do with you.

That is what got us where we are now with illegal alien trespassers.

They have run me out of 3 different trades here in Austin. Trades I loved to do, just not at below minimum wage, from being middle class.

My buddies truck got stolen from Chaparral Ice and they found it a month later with the back seat ripped out. Used to smuggle illegal aliens across the border back here to Austin.

What would it take to sue the city of Austin for their illegal policies.
It is against the law to harbor illegal alien trespassers. This city promotes it.
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Old 10-21-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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That is what got us where we are now with illegal alien trespassers.

They have run me out of 3 different trades here in Austin. Trades I loved to do, just not at below minimum wage, from being middle class.

My buddies truck got stolen from Chaparral Ice and they found it a month later with the back seat ripped out. Used to smuggle illegal aliens across the border back here to Austin.

What would it take to sue the city of Austin for their illegal policies.
It is against the law to harbor illegal alien trespassers. This city promotes it.
I'm sorry that you feel like you have been "run out" of trades. That is the wonderful thing about being American, you can do something else. "Illegal alien trespassers" don't have the same options we do. Hence, the low paying dangerous jobs that Americans don't want/don't want to pay for.
Your buddy's (as opposed to buddies) truck being stolen is a sad thing, but did he have insurance? Could he buy another truck? I'm not saying it's right. Not at all. Just pointing out that we have options and others do not.
But to the main point, as asked by the OP, is that I do think that he is taking it a bit far to be angry at the idea the perpetrator is/might be illegal. I would be angry about the proposed crime against me.
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