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Sorry but the census in recent decades has always consisted of two forms. In years past they were the short and long form. This year they have replaced the long form with the ACS. Both the ACS and the long form went only to a subset of the population. They are however still an intrinsic portion of the census.
Get over it. We use a short form that counts everybody and the ACS to get details from a sample of the population. That is how we do the census.
From the US Census Bureau Definition of ACS...
Part of the 2010 Decennial Program, providing annual (or multi-year average) estimates of selected social, economic, and housing characteristics of the population for many geographic areas and subpopulations
A Census Taker WILL NOT:
6. Ask to enter your home.
7. Ask about your Social Security number or immigration status.
8. Ask for your income, bank account number, or other financial information.
9. Ask for PINs or passwords.
10. Ask for a donation or money.
Not from me. Somebody on your side was selling the old Chicano study. That came out of the Chicano dept at UCLA. But it is the right that loves that one.
I know you cannot be serious, the "old Chicano Study"?? it was published 2 years ago, is the only one of it's kind and is in no way irrelevant or old. If thats what it takes for you to justify the findings of that pro-illegal immigrant group then fine, but I am still waiting for you to post information on illegal immigrant crime stats, you saying it does not make it true. I will be the first to say that illegal immigrants probably commit less crime than Americans of the same socioeconomic status, but, it makes little difference, where there is poverty there is crime, and if not crime from the illegal immigrant parents then with the American born children (who failed miserably at education, which is the best indicator of success in America). So what is an acceptable percentage of illegal immigrant crimes? 5%? 10%? well I say 0. This is the point you are missing, every rape, theft and murder that occur by the hands of an illegal immigrant are one too many for me. Please post for the last time any studies substantiating your opinions. Thanks.
pdf files freeze up my computer so I can't view it but the link is to chicano.ucla? Hmm, I'm more than suspcious of the stats now.
The stats came from a very pro-Chicano group, and are very interesting. The reason I brought this study up was so that our friend could not accuse me of using figures or information from "fringe" groups. First he tries to dismiss Sociology as not being credible, therefore we cannot trust the contents of the study. Now the study is "Old" making the data useless?? any way he can to dismiss the embarrassing findings by the pro-illegal immigrant side.
I know you cannot be serious, the "old Chicano Study"?? it was published 2 years ago, is the only one of it's kind and is in no way irrelevant or old.
Old only in that it was not a recent addition to the literature. I described it as a very interesting piece of sociology.
I do however hold it irrelevant in the context of this thread.
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If thats what it takes for you to justify the findings of that pro-illegal immigrant group then fine, but I am still waiting for you to post information on illegal immigrant crime stats, you saying it does not make it true. I will be the first to say that illegal immigrants probably commit less crime than Americans of the same socioeconomic status, but, it makes little difference, where there is poverty there is crime, and if not crime from the illegal immigrant parents then with the American born children (who failed miserably at education, which is the best indicator of success in America). So what is an acceptable percentage of illegal immigrant crimes? 5%? 10%? well I say 0. This is the point you are missing, every rape, theft and murder that occur by the hands of an illegal immigrant are one too many for me. Please post for the last time any studies substantiating your opinions. Thanks.
You know I would love to respond to the rest but I wil not deal with stream of consciousness. Try paragraphs - a wonderful invention. You may have a point somewhere in there but I am not going to dig through that muck to pull it out.
Old only in that it was not a recent addition to the literature. I described it as a very interesting piece of sociology.
I do however hold it irrelevant in the context of this thread.
You know I would love to respond to the rest but I wil not deal with stream of consciousness. Try paragraphs - a wonderful invention. You may have a point somewhere in there but I am not going to dig through that muck to pull it out.
Lol.. figures. I will not waste anymore of my time debating someone that has nothing but an opinion to offer. If you would like to substantiate your opinions then great, otherwise... well you know what they say about opinions..
Not possible. Because I am the furthest from a RWNJ extremist you just described, and I oppose illegal immigration.
However, using inflammatory language, inciting anger and using pointless rhetoric is useless and leads to nothing but violence. Instead of whining and sniveling, post a realistic solution instead of completely twisting words and inventing false argument as in the OP.
Again, since the idea seems to have slipped most of you folks by, there is no easy solution to this issue. Large corporations seek and employ cheap labor. Is that untrue?
You'd give credence to your alleged outrage if it were directed at the people who are in control to stop it. That means a concentrated anti-illegal immigration effort directed at employers. Are takers? I doubt it, if the cost of all of this means a pinch in your pocketbook.
I'm no dem I'm an independent moderate but I totally agree.
Most of the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is directed at the illegal-immigrants. The countless people who hire them are left out of the conversation altogether. I always think to myself how so many of my compatriots can be so ignorant. We can cry and complain about illegals being here until our eyes dry up but until we start cracking down on employers then illegal-immigration will be here to stay.
I'm no dem I'm an independent moderate but I totally agree.
Most of the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is directed at the illegal-immigrants. The countless people who hire them are left out of the conversation altogether. I always think to myself how so many of my compatriots can be so ignorant. We can cry and complain about illegals being here until our eyes dry up but until we start cracking down on employers then illegal-immigration will be here to stay.
Give me a break. I’m so sick of hearing this BS, “you anti-illegals only attack illegal aliens,” when nothing could be further from the truth. What are YOU doing to “crack down” on known or suspected employers of illegals? How many politicians have YOU contacted? If you haven’t done anything other than spew baseless accusations at others, you are in no position to criticize.
By the way, are you voting against the traitorous illegal alien facilitators in Congress? Or, will you continue to cast your vote for the status quo?
I'm no dem I'm an independent moderate but I totally agree.
Most of the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is directed at the illegal-immigrants. The countless people who hire them are left out of the conversation altogether. I always think to myself how so many of my compatriots can be so ignorant. We can cry and complain about illegals being here until our eyes dry up but until we start cracking down on employers then illegal-immigration will be here to stay.
Still repeating this same old nonsense even though there are numerous topics and posts whereby the employers have been held guilty by all of us? I don't know in how many topics we have talked endlessly about e-verify and that we want the employers caught, jailed and fined. Oh well, I guess you will just continue to see and read what you want regardless of what is posted.
Actually, I hold our government the most guilty. If they had secured our borders and made e-verify mandated in all workplaces, denied benefits to illegal aliens and changed birthright citizenship we wouldn't have to worry about either the employers or the illegal aliens. There would be very little illegal immigration. Otherwise I hold the employers and the illegals the second most guilty, equally.
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