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Old 10-26-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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Apparently, they brought in retired Judge Sandra Day O'Conner to vote on this and she and Judge Sandra Ikuta voted to overturn a 2004 voter based law that requires proof of citizenship before registering to vote. Apparently, there is no Federal Law that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote so Arizona can not dictate that there must be.

I'm confused. Why in the world do we not require proof of citizenship to vote when it is a law that you must be a citizen to vote. (Well, except in SanFrancisco and Portland, Maine where "anything goes!")

These are crazy times we are living in.

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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So 2 Republican appointees agree that state's cannot impose additional requirements on voters in federal elections. Voters must still present identification but federal law requires that they only "attest to their citizenship under penalty of perjury". The Arizona law violated the 1993 NVRA (National Voter Registration Act). The right suddenly wants activist judges when it suits them? Sometimes, as Mr Bumble put it "the law is a ass" - but it's still the law.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...6/08-17094.pdf

"Proposition 200 requires prospective voters in Arizona to
present documentary proof of citizenship in order to register
to vote, Ariz. Rev. Stat. 16-152, 16-166, and requires registered
voters to present proof of identification in order to cast
a ballot at the polls, Ariz. Rev. Stat. 16-159. This appeal
raises the questions whether Proposition 200 violates the Voting
Rights Act 2, 42 U.S.C. 1973, is unconstitutional
under the Fourteenth or Twenty-fourth Amendments of the
Constitution, or is void as inconsistent with the National
Voter Registration Act (NVRA), 42 U.S.C. 1973gg et seq.
We hold that the NVRA supersedes Proposition 200’s voter
registration procedures, and that Arizona’s documentary proof
of citizenship requirement for registration is therefore invalid.
We reject the remainder of Appellants’ arguments."

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:57 PM
 
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Apparently, they brought in retired Judge Sandra Day O'Conner to vote on this and she and Judge Sandra Ikuta voted to overturn a 2004 voter based law that requires proof of citizenship before registering to vote. Apparently, there is no Federal Law that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote so Arizona can not dictate that there must be.

I'm confused. Why in the world do we not require proof of citizenship to vote when it is a law that you must be a citizen to vote. (Well, except in SanFrancisco and Portland, Maine where "anything goes!")

These are crazy times we are living in.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court Strikes Again | The FOX Nation (http://www.thefoxnation.com/justice/2010/10/26/liberal-9th-circuit-court-strikes-again?utm_source=twitterfeed&ut - broken link)
I don't get it either. It is an open invitation to fraud and fixing the elections.
Oh, wait....
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Yeah, not like an illegal would ever erm.........LIE to commit voter fraud is it? After all, they're so "law abiding"

I honestly fail to see why having documentation (such as a US passport or a birth certifcate) puts an "onerous financial burden" on a citizen. I mean a certified copy of your bc is only $20 (or was to get the ones for my grandkids) and don't you think you'd NEED to have that available at least ONCE in your lifetime for other things?
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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Yeah, not like an illegal would ever erm.........LIE to commit voter fraud is it? After all, they're so "law abiding"

I honestly fail to see why having documentation (such as a US passport or a birth certifcate) puts an "onerous financial burden" on a citizen. I mean a certified copy of your bc is only $20 (or was to get the ones for my grandkids) and don't you think you'd NEED to have that available at least ONCE in your lifetime for other things?
Most Americans have one in their possession even if kept in a safety deposit box.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Well apparently, according to the article, it was brought to the 9th circuit by "hispanics and native americans" who said it was an onerous burden to have to prove citizenship and as the federal law doesn't require it, states can't either.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Would you support a law that all voters must show a non-expired passport or a birth certificate? Polling stations would have the expertise to detect fraud and photoshops?
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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Would you support a law that all voters must show a non-expired passport or a birth certificate? Polling stations would have the expertise to detect fraud and photoshops?
I'd be okay with that. In this day and age, there must be something that could detect fraud or photoshop fakery. In light of how important an issue this is, I think it would behoove us to have all voters prove citizenship. As it stands, what does keep non-citizens from registering and voting?
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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Well apparently, according to the article, it was brought to the 9th circuit by "hispanics and native americans" who said it was an onerous burden to have to prove citizenship and as the federal law doesn't require it, states can't either.
It figures.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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A friend of mine, who is very involved in this type of stuff, just told me that the State Attorney General could argue against this because the state can reject this Fed ruling based on the 10th amendment - (nullification) Not my area of expertise, but it is fascinating. And, the whole idea of anyone not having to prove citizenship to vote amazes me. Guess I never gave it any thought before. But, in this day and age, it should be a requirement.
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