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Old 01-08-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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The thing is, these illegal immigrants aren't getting well-paying, cushy jobs.
Sorry but they are EXACTLY the jobs the illegals pushing for the Dream Act are targetting. You really need to do some research.

 
Old 01-08-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wages have DROPPED because of the illegals in many places like construction. Nope: we dont need em here.
A 20 dollar an hour construction job is a pretty good job.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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A 20 dollar an hour construction job is a pretty good job.
Heck, right now a LOT of out of benefits unemployed would be happy to take the minimum wage jobs from the illegals.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I say that for a long long time illegals were encouraged to come to the USA. I say that one of the hallmarks of the country is the exploitation of someone or anything that can be exploited. For a long time the millions of illegals in the country were just a very good target to be abused by the society at large. They had almost no protection under the law for employment standards, housing, social benefits etc. Now that the look the other way principal that has been the norm for 50 years has come back to bite you in the backside don't cry the blues.

In a nation of tens of millions of cattle the FDA tracks down one case of mad cow disease and yet the same government can't keep track of what?? 30 million people? There has been no political will to deal with the situation and there still isn't.

When the former USSR and East Germany decided not to let people leave the country, how many could sneak out? Like .1% of the people who wanted to. This whole situation in the USA is a fools game for sure.

Even here in Canada we have a lot of people who would like to sneak into the country but it's very very hard for them. It's impossible to work except for under the table. Your kids can't go to school, you can't get medical services, no social benefits and when you get caught you get deported.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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There should be rage, but it should be aimed at the EMPLOYERS. Not the illegals. The illegals are very vulnerable to exploitation, and the employers know this when they hire the illegal immigrants. They can't form unions and/or demand any rights in the workplace, because their employers would have them deported.

Many Americans are are SO UPSET at illegals, because they think that the illegals are 'taking jobs away from them'. The thing is, these illegal immigrants aren't getting well-paying, cushy jobs. Illegal immigrants are doing the vey worst jobs, that Americans (even unskilled, uneducated Americans) won't do.

Illegals are doing jobs such as picking fruit in 100 degree heat, processing poultry while they stand knee-deep in bird blood and feces, cleaning toilets in hotels, doing domestic maid work for affluent people, and cleaning office buildings during the grave-yard shift.

The point that I'm making is that illegal immigrants, are not the ones that are costing Americans decent jobs. It's the global economy, wherein American jobs are outsourced to other countries, the employers who got tax-cuts, but still refuse to hire, the low-wage ervice economy, and the corporations and Wall Streeters, who destroyed our economy in the first place.

So blaming illegal immigrants for joblessness in America, is pointless. When will Americans stop scapegoating illegals for our economic plight, and put the blame where it really belongs-on the corporations, Wall Street, big Banks, the rise of low-paying service jobs, and global competition???
Most of us would be perfectly fine with the crack down being made on the greedy types who bring in illegals to exploit rather than hire Americans or bring in legal immigrants and pay legal wages.

I think they should be hit very very hard with much bigger fines - if you can't do business honestly then you don't deserve to be in business. And the whole bunch of elites who think they should pay third world wages here in this country so they can get rich fast or surround themselves with low paid servants subsidized by taxpayers of course.

That was what Cesar Chavez himself was about. He was against illegals being brought in because they were brought in to keep wages ridiculously low.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Default America's Citizens Have Every Right To Be As Angry As Hell !!!

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I'll keep this simple:

Illegal aliens are just as to blame as the employers themselves. I agree that businesses should be fined for knowingly hiring illegal labor, but do not forget that people who knowingly illegally cross the US border are doing an illegal act and should be deported back to their country of origin. You need to focus and direct your anger to both causes, not just one.
GreXican !!! ... BRAVO !

Damn well said indeed !

The imbeciles in these businesses have a great deal to answer for hiring "Illegal Aliens" !

America's citizens must remain vigilant in their concerted efforts to relentlessly demand that the current immigration laws be faithfully enforced and the Southern Border formidably secured !

Effective deportation of America's "Illegal Aliens" must be a top priority !

Thanks Y'ALL / Not So Old Sgt. Lamar
 
Old 01-09-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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Sorry but they are EXACTLY the jobs the illegals pushing for the Dream Act are targetting. You really need to do some research.
The illegals are WAY worse off, then the average American. That's a fact. So so get pissed off at them, like a rabid pitbull that's foaming at the mouth, is utter nonsense!

Americans need to get a clue, and get upset about the factors that have caused them to lose their jobs. It's NOT illegal immigrants, since they do jobs that Americans won't do anyway.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Most of us would be perfectly fine with the crack down being made on the greedy types who bring in illegals to exploit rather than hire Americans or bring in legal immigrants and pay legal wages.

I think they should be hit very very hard with much bigger fines - if you can't do business honestly then you don't deserve to be in business. And the whole bunch of elites who think they should pay third world wages here in this country so they can get rich fast or surround themselves with low paid servants subsidized by taxpayers of course.

That was what Cesar Chavez himself was about. He was against illegals being brought in because they were brought in to keep wages ridiculously low.
In principle, I agree with you. However, I still don't believe that illegals are stealing jobs from Americans. As I mentioned, Americans just won't do the heinous jobs, that illegal immigrants do to survive.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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While I agree that the employers own a large measure of blame one must hold the illegals accountable as well. It is they who knowingly cross into our country illegally and they who accept low ball wages. It is they who live by means of fraud and they who care little about whose job they took by lowballing.
The chop shop might pay the car theirf well and entice him into stealing more cars but no way does the thief get a free pass for his misdeeds.
Another way to look at it.
A bar tender/ owner might be greedy and keep serving a drunk until he is readu to pass out. I still blame the drunk when he gets behind the wheel of a car and kills someone.
True, the illegals choose to come here. But my point was that Americans won't do jobs that the illegals do, so the illegals aren't taking jobs away from Americans.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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The illegals are WAY worse off, then the average American. That's a fact. So so get pissed off at them, like a rabid pitbull that's foaming at the mouth, is utter nonsense!

Americans need to get a clue, and get upset about the factors that have caused them to lose their jobs. It's NOT illegal immigrants, since they do jobs that Americans won't do anyway.
Not true. Many Americans ARE willing to do those jobs. Employers cant treat us like WBs or slaves since we have rights so they hire illegals instead. And many of those jobs pay good money.
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