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Old 11-15-2010, 06:10 AM
 
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MEXICO NEED IT’S YOUNG We do not need Mexico’s young and strong in our workforce or our military to fight for our freedom and the threat of terrorism. But Mexico needs it’s young men and women to fight a real threat that is killing their people and a real threat to the freedom for Mexico. Mexico is at war with drug cartels. Mexico also need a young, strong work force to build a strong economy for Mexico and to keep it’s people home. And a strong military to win the war against drug cartels

We are doing a great harm to the future of Mexico by allowing uncontrolled migration of it’s people
Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a nation destroyer. A bigger threat to Mexico then the drug cartels. Mexico needs man power worse than they need money and we have their man power. 10 million at least who are Mexico’s future.

Educate their children but then send them home to benefit Mexico. A strong Mexico means a strong America. By destroying Mexico, we are destroying ourselves. Isn’t that what Obama said on his last trip? Our economy depend on a strong economy world wide? We need to help Mexico by sending it people home and amnesty for it’s people will destroy Mexico.

Amnesty for illegal aliens is not only wrong but immoral

Mexico’s future in not in our workforce or our military. We are letting future votes and cheap labor for corporations that are big campaign contributors blind our senses.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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Somebody's been busy cutting and pasting this over the Internet this morning.

The fallacy is that a big work force builds opportunity and a strong economy. Immigrants in the past have moved from where there is less opportunity to where there is more. Should Irish & Italian immigrants have stayed home to save their county? Within the USA people move to areas with more opportunity. People become dependent on welfare and gov't benefits by staying put and waiting for the jobs to return.

I'm not condoning illegal immigration but it does act as safety valve for Mexico. Young people who stay put where there is no opportunity find the only way out is crime & becoming foot soldiers for the cartels. 40% of Juarez is under 18, the gunmen are getting younger, and kids are taking advantage of chaos and the law and order vacuum. Juarez was a job creator and industrial magnet for people from the south but with drug violence, the depression, and shift of jobs to Asia it is declining as as industrial powerhouse. Investment drives jobs, not a surplus of workers, and historically and now Mexico is sorely lacking in investment.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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Somebody's been busy cutting and pasting this over the Internet this morning.

The fallacy is that a big work force builds opportunity and a strong economy. Immigrants in the past have moved from where there is less opportunity to where there is more. Should Irish & Italian immigrants have stayed home to save their county? Within the USA people move to areas with more opportunity. People become dependent on welfare and gov't benefits by staying put and waiting for the jobs to return.

I'm not condoning illegal immigration but it does act as safety valve for Mexico. Young people who stay put where there is no opportunity find the only way out is crime & becoming foot soldiers for the cartels. 40% of Juarez is under 18, the gunmen are getting younger, and kids are taking advantage of chaos and the law and order vacuum. Juarez was a job creator and industrial magnet for people from the south but with drug violence, the depression, and shift of jobs to Asia it is declining as as industrial powerhouse. Investment drives jobs, not a surplus of workers, and historically and now Mexico is sorely lacking in investment.
Don't even start comparing past immigrants to illegal immigration from Mexico today. We shouldn't be a safety valve for Mexico at the expense of our own citizen's jobs and welfare. I totally agree with the topic at hand here.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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The generous welfare system has changed the concept of open borders.

We simply cannot take in the entire world as the pro-open borders proponents suggest. In the past, immigrants had to leave family, their way of life behind and had to be self-reliant in order to make it - and many did not, many returned home a short time after arriving.

Today all they have to do is get here and they'll be taken care of so well, they never want to go back. There is no more need for self-reliance, they can demand schools keep their kids in their own culture and language, they can have baby after baby to bring in more welfare handouts.

The fact that so many still are coming in spite of the high unemployment rate only proves it's not the jobs that attract them, the USA is known now as the land of the free everything.

Also the USA is already very populated, we don't need the birth rates of the third world making all our cities into vast urban slums.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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Somebody's been busy cutting and pasting this over the Internet this morning.

The fallacy is that a big work force builds opportunity and a strong economy. Immigrants in the past have moved from where there is less opportunity to where there is more. Should Irish & Italian immigrants have stayed home to save their county? Within the USA people move to areas with more opportunity. People become dependent on welfare and gov't benefits by staying put and waiting for the jobs to return.
The Irish and Italians came here before the establishment of the New Deal. Back then immigrants were screened once they showed up. Migrants with diseases and obvious impediments were sent home. If an immigrant couldn't find work he simply went home or was deported for failure to support himself. He did not demand the right to collect American tax dollars.

Today we have a much different society. We should have an immigration policy that has changed as well.

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I'm not condoning illegal immigration but it does act as safety valve for Mexico. Young people who stay put where there is no opportunity find the only way out is crime & becoming foot soldiers for the cartels. 40% of Juarez is under 18, the gunmen are getting younger, and kids are taking advantage of chaos and the law and order vacuum. Juarez was a job creator and industrial magnet for people from the south but with drug violence, the depression, and shift of jobs to Asia it is declining as as industrial powerhouse. Investment drives jobs, not a surplus of workers, and historically and now Mexico is sorely lacking in investment.
Mexico's problems are for Mexicans to solve. Americans should not be held responsible for Mexican failures to educate their population, promote rational birth control policies and establish a functional state.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Mexico's problems are for Mexicans to solve. Americans should not be held responsible for Mexican failures to educate their population, promote rational birth control policies and establish a functional state.
Agreed, but the OP's argument isn't that Mexican immigration is bad for America but that emigration is bad for Mexico.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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Agreed, but the OP's argument isn't that Mexican immigration is bad for America but that emigration is bad for Mexico.
Illegal immigration to the U.S. is bad for the Mexican populace because their country's government will never change as long as we are their safety valve. The only ones it is good for is the Mexican government and their elite rulers.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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Illegal immigration to the U.S. is bad for the Mexican populace because their country's government will never change as long as we are their safety valve.
This.

I need to do more research on what is really going on down in Mexico in regards to population, economy and growth, but I do know that on the surface it doesn't look good for Mexico and that having people continue to leave it isn't helping. And honestly, we really don't want their poor, uneducated people coming here by the millions. They need to keep them and help them themselves instead of unloading them on us.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:57 PM
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If we don't need them why do we hire and RECRUIT them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html

Army extends immigrant recruiting - Los Angeles Times
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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Personally I don't agree with the change in the law that allows non citizens on temporary and student visas to join the military, as being on TEMPORARY visas means they're NOT "immigrants" no matter which way you cut it. I think at the minimum they should be required to hold LPR status.

Even so Mach50, they are required to be here LEGALLY, so that alone means most Mexican nationals in this country aren't eligible.
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