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Old 11-17-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Yes it does...too simple to be reasonable. While many studies have tried to find evidence of a causal relationship between education and proclivity for crime, only correlational relationships can be found...and they are rather weak ones at that. Students with stronger ethical values are more likely to try to maximize their opportunities with higher education. There is absolutely no reason to believe that students with lower ethical values who end up attending college are somehow "converted" from the ethical culture they were raised with or "toe the line" with regard to the behavior of their peers. All the best research suggests that basic right vs. wrong indoctrination is mostly complete by the time kids enter Kindergarten. There is also good reason to believe that well-educated persons are better at covering their tracks and are thus less likely to be caught committing white-collar crime than are poorer less-educated persons (just ask Bernie Madoff, a graduate of Hofstra College).

In any event, we have a glut of white-collar professionals at the moment and for the foreseeable future. Subsidizing the education of persons not legally entitled to be here only increases the magnet effect. There will not be work for them when they graduate.

Experts say good-paying, white-collar jobs aren
Getting right up to the edge of racist.

Quote your peer reviewed studies that illegals have worse right vs wrong than legals of similar social level. Actually it likely works the other way. Furthest from entry day worst crime level anyway.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:51 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Next year the tuition for a UC is going up to 12K for IN STATE residents and illegal immigrants who have been in school in CA for over 3 years. There is nothing free about it. Perhaps they will get scholarships or other aid but that is because they will have been able to qualify for such aid by getting good grades or meeting some other criteria.
...but one. It's called legal citizenship -- a distinction that appears to be lost on all too many.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:57 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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...but one. It's called legal citizenship -- a distinction that appears to be lost on all too many.
YOu guys simply don't listen...one is required to be a resident of CA to get resident tuition. There is no requirement that you be in the US legally...

And there certainly is no requirement that you be a citizen...legal or any other kind. And note that any requirement that you be a citizen would be unconstitutional.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: State of Jefferson coast
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Getting right up to the edge of racist.
Only if you're one of those people who habitually keeps a couple of race cards up his sleeve to play at every opportunity. I never mentioned race or legal status -- I only mentioned RESEARCH-BASED correlations between educational attainment and crime. Here is one of many such studies for your perusal.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/27529879

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Old 11-17-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula
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YOu guys simply don't listen...one is required to be a resident of CA to get resident tuition. There is no requirement that you be in the US legally...

And there certainly is no requirement that you be a citizen...legal or any other kind. And note that any requirement that you be a citizen would be unconstitutional.
That's exactly it. But people don't want to be confused with facts. They'd rather discuss illegals getting "free" tuition because it serves their mind set.

I'd rather throw them out of our country but unless we do that we cannot deny them tuition, deny them medical treatment, deny them welfare, as long as they are here. If we want to deal with the problem we need to make them "there" rather than "here." Nothing else will suffice.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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That's exactly it. But people don't want to be confused with facts. They'd rather discuss illegals getting "free" tuition because it serves their mind set.
No! At issue is the fact that there's no prohibition against someone benefitting from being here illegally. Totally and insanely Californian!
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: State of Jefferson coast
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I guess the next question will be whether or not you're eligible to vote for the Governor of California even though you are ineligible to vote for the President of the U.S.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Bellevue, WA
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Having just left CA...and thank the lord - our local schools spend 3-4 x what LA does so no more private school, I think you are missing a HUGE point.

In-state tuition IS subsidized by taxpayers. It is a slap on the face to someone coming from TX that they have to pay more than double what an illegal does. And furthermore, why do we need educated illegal immigrants when, unless they are given amnesty (highly unlikely in its desired form), they are relegated to menial jobs anyway? Does your housekeeper really need a B.S. in Chemistry? Why should we pay the higher education costs for a person that we won't let legally work here? Not a heck of a lot off-the-book professional jobs out there!
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula
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No! At issue is the fact that there's no prohibition against someone benefitting from being here illegally. Totally and insanely Californian!
No, that is not Californian at all. The disease is rampant all across America. Why do you think Arizona is trying to throw out the illegals and having no better luck? The only reason you don't have a major problem where you are is because illegals have to both enter the US and cross state lines to get to your present location. Why bother? Once in the US it suffices to be in whatever state they entered, for most of them, especially in CA, AZ, TX and FL.

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I guess the next question will be whether or not you're eligible to vote for the Governor of California even though you are ineligible to vote for the President of the U.S.
I surely wish we had a statistic on how many illegal aliens are registered to vote, and vote! I'd hate to have to look up the story but here in CA we discovered that one (minor) elected politician was an illegal alien. She was thrown out of office when discovered, claimed her parents moved here when she was an infant (believable) and didn't know she was an alien (not believable, IMO). Extra credit for anybody who remembers the story.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:33 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Only if you're one of those people who habitually keeps a couple of race card up his sleeve to play at every opportunity. I never mentioned race or legal status -- I only mentioned RESEARCH-BASED correlations between educational attainment and crime. Here is one of many such studies for your perusal.
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and those who habitual walk the edge of racism almost always accuse anyone pointing it out of playing the race card. I did not play it because you did not do it. But you still make the accusation. Indicating pretty strongly that you likely are a closet racist.

As to your link. One would hope you are kidding. Exactly what the education level of 1950s Ohio prision inmates versus the Ohio population has to do with anything is difficult to compute.

You cite in this context is completely daft. That indicates pretty strongly you don't even vaguely understand this stuff.
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