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Old 11-18-2010, 05:19 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Illegals are in the vast majority of cases earning money "under the table".

They pay nothing, we pay for everything.

End result is CA bankruptcy
Actually about half are on legal payrolls. But the rest pay local taxes, property taxes, gas taxes etc. The half on the black side would not pay any federal taxes anyway to speak of...but they would pay FICA if enrolled.

I believe the best information is that the states lose and the feds gain and overall it breaks around even. That is why the antis always include the cost of legal children. It is the biggest cost available and dwarfs all the others.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:30 PM
 
Location: State of Jefferson coast
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and those who habitual walk the edge of racism almost always accuse anyone pointing it out of playing the race card. I did not play it because you did not do it. But you still make the accusation. Indicating pretty strongly that you likely are a closet racist.
Always interesting that those who play the race card when they run out of reasonable argument assign themselves an omniscient power to know the racial makeup of people they've never met, just based on assumptions that confirm their own prejudices. So ho ahead, olecapt, what's my ethnic background (I'd be willing to bet you $10,000 you'd get it wrong)?
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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Very narrow point of view. A guest worker program is a solution...immigration reform allowing people who want to both work and be good tax paying American citizens is even better. I think many illegals who come here have no desire to move back to Mexico. Well, my dad wants to buy a bunch of land in the yucatan to grow old on, but thats different. How many tens of millions of Irish German and Italian people came here again and are now citizens? Hmmmm...
We already have several guest worker programs that meet our needs. The problem is that there are more immigrants that want to come here to work than we can accomodate in jobs and resources. Population growth is another consideration. How is it fair to give the nod to mostly Mexicans anyway? There are others that are a lot more needier and we won't lose our identity as a nation by remaining diverse in our legal immigration quotas rather than favoring one particular group.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:43 PM
 
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It seems that a good many of our immigrants start their own companies rather than trying to find jobs.
What immigrants are you speaking of? Legal or illegal? If illegal they are more than likely starting business that only hire their own ethnic kind and that can speak their native language. Doesn't do most citizens much good.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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And why do they have the need to do so? If they had the opportunity to become citizens as easily as those at the turn of the 20th century then they wouldn't risk their lives to cross the damn desert. Think to yourself hey why are they still illegal hey why are hard working people with no criminal history still denied citizenship. Hey why does it take over 10 years these days to even have the possibility of becoming citizens. These people don't had the luxury of 5 year plans in Mexico. They either come and live a happy life and have food to eat or stay and suffer. If there was an Ellis island of our southern border I'm quite sure it would be utilized heavily
Because times have changed, that's why. We are no longer a wide open frontier needing labor to build our country. We have blossomed to over 300 million people now. We don't need many uneducated and unskilled workers anymore. Our immigraton laws and quotas are in place today because this nation has changed over the years with less of a need for that kind of labor.

No, they don't have to stay and suffer in their homelands. They can bring about the necessary changes to have a happy life there but that takes guts and I guess that is what they are missing. Easier to jump another nation's borders and steal their citizen's jobs and benefits.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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My mother was once illegal as well, she definitely paid taxes into the system and will never see the benefits from those first 16 years in the states.

The argument you will receive is that the illegals of today are not the same as the illegals of yesterday.
What "illegals" of yesterday are you speaking of?
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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MOD CUT
It's simple: the more educated our populace is, the better off we are as a state and as an economy. If we don't support community colleges and give poor first- or second-generation immigrants a chance to become good, contributing members of society, then they simply won't. They will resort to crime and then we will pay even more to deport them or keep them in prison.

But, MOD CUT will say, if we give them the carrot of opportunity, then they will come in greater numbers. Well, I say to you, welcome to America. That's exactly why your ancestors came here in the first place. And by saying "I can have opportunities, but they can't," you are, in fact, being anti-American and seeking to strip this great country of the finest quality it has.
How does this make sense???
When in reality these "Educated Illegals" will invest their "Education" to have even MORE of their ILLEGAL Brethren break even MORE laws,bringing MORE Illegal Aliens to circumvent/break MORE laws and ovewhelm and STEAL MORE benefits and find MORE ways to perpetuate their their NEGATIVE contributions????
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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Actually about half are on legal payrolls. But the rest pay local taxes, property taxes, gas taxes etc. The half on the black side would not pay any federal taxes anyway to speak of...but they would pay FICA if enrolled.

I believe the best information is that the states lose and the feds gain and overall it breaks around even. That is why the antis always include the cost of legal children. It is the biggest cost available and dwarfs all the others.
Another thing overlooked is that Illegal Aliens send millions out of the Country to relatives and others back home in Foreign Countries and that's money taken out of the local economy to help other nations.

There is no way that whatever taxes paid by Illegals can cover the massive costs/strain on the infrastructure. Unpaid ER/Emergency care bills,schools,prisons and when they kick out Anchor Babies the Welfare,Medical,Food stamps,etc... they collect.
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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This is beginning a digression away from the subject.

The European immigration was also before many of these immigration laws were in effect. All they had to do was show up.

The New Colossus on the Status of Liberty appears to have only applied to Europe.



(read the fine print at the bottom)
"Sorry we meant Europe only!"

It's a POEM ffs, it's not immigration POLICY - sheeesh
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:55 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Another thing overlooked is that Illegal Aliens send millions out of the Country to relatives and others back home in Foreign Countries and that's money taken out of the local economy to help other nations.

There is no way that whatever taxes paid by Illegals can cover the massive costs/strain on the infrastructure. Unpaid ER/Emergency care bills,schools,prisons and when they kick out Anchor Babies the Welfare,Medical,Food stamps,etc... they collect.
Folk law. If the jobs exist they will be replaced. And the replacements will cost more. Simple as that. Illegal aliens for all their flaws are much cheaper than any replacements.
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