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Old 11-27-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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The slaves are the American tax payers forced to give illegals a better life than American citizens.
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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The slaves are the American tax payers forced to give illegals a better life than American citizens.
That's the truth. Illegals do absolutely nothing for the betterment of our country
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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That's the truth. Illegals do absolutely nothing for the betterment of our country
I wouldn't go that far but cheap vegetables in no way benefit the average tax payer if you consider that we are being forced to subsidize their existence here. Some dirt bags benefit from them but not most law abiding citizens.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Pa
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I wouldn't go that far but cheap vegetables in no way benefit the average tax payer if you consider that we are being forced to subsidize their existence here. Some dirt bags benefit from them but not most law abiding citizens.
Even cheap vegetables is questionable. How do we know what savings if any are passed on to the consumer?
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Old 11-28-2010, 06:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Even cheap vegetables is questionable. How do we know what savings if any are passed on to the consumer?
Don't forget all the nice diseases attributed to "doing business off the books".
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:30 PM
 
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An idle thought, but...

...many of the problems of illegal immigration from Mexico wouldn't exist if the US just conquered and subsumed it, making it a part of the US. While this may not sit politically correct with many vis a vis sovereignty issues; in terms of world history, it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar. When the US took over the Kingdom of Hawaii, the Republic of Texas, and the California Republic (which was actually a province of Mexico to begin with) people then argued about future political consequences. Today, most people don't even remember that those areas were once not a part of the US to begin with.

IMHO, the problem created by illegal immigration isn't so much the people as it is by the economics involved. When you have poor people living next to relatively well off (by comparison) ones, there will always be tensions. This is so, in places like Rwanda, where strife over economic control was the basis for the political fuel that resulted in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. In Israel - Palestine too (aside from the politics) most people worry more so of the mechanics of daily living; access to clean water and jobs. Even within countries where the people are ethnically and culturally homogeneous, like the People's Republic of China (where the rural poor routinely migrate to cities looking for jobs), there is perpetual economic bases tensions between rural and urban counterparts.

So, in the best of all worlds, if the economic disparity were to be eliminated, then many of these associated issues would also disappear. Taking over Mexico, and allowing all its people to be Americans jus soli, with enforcement of US labor laws, would eventually equalize the economic status of Mexico with the US. This would destroy the need for economic migration. Illegal immigration (at least from Mexico) would no longer matter.

Of course, this was just an idle thought.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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An idle thought, but...

...many of the problems of illegal immigration from Mexico wouldn't exist if the US just conquered and subsumed it, making it a part of the US. While this may not sit politically correct with many vis a vis sovereignty issues; in terms of world history, it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar. When the US took over the Kingdom of Hawaii, the Republic of Texas, and the California Republic (which was actually a province of Mexico to begin with) people then argued about future political consequences. Today, most people don't even remember that those areas were once not a part of the US to begin with.

IMHO, the problem created by illegal immigration isn't so much the people as it is by the economics involved. When you have poor people living next to relatively well off (by comparison) ones, there will always be tensions. This is so, in places like Rwanda, where strife over economic control was the basis for the political fuel that resulted in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. In Israel - Palestine too (aside from the politics) most people worry more so of the mechanics of daily living; access to clean water and jobs. Even within countries where the people are ethnically and culturally homogeneous, like the People's Republic of China (where the rural poor routinely migrate to cities looking for jobs), there is perpetual economic bases tensions between rural and urban counterparts.

So, in the best of all worlds, if the economic disparity were to be eliminated, then many of these associated issues would also disappear. Taking over Mexico, and allowing all its people to be Americans jus soli, with enforcement of US labor laws, would eventually equalize the economic status of Mexico with the US. This would destroy the need for economic migration. Illegal immigration (at least from Mexico) would no longer matter.

Of course, this was just an idle thought.
Should we do the same for central and south america as well?
Right now the USA isn't really in a position to obsorb the issues that come with Mexico.
The cheaper alternative would be to close the border and secure it with our military.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Obama is pretty good about his give away programs. Then in the next breath he talks about how we need to raise taxes, or we need to tighten up on our spending. Next breath 900 million to Haiti, missile defence shield for Europe, New fighters for Israel etc.
But enforce our laws????? Well we can't. We just amnestied his Aunt. We can't have our president looking like a hypocrite can we?

Thank you tinman01; for having Obummer figured out, to a tee. Boy you have his number pegged. The Main thing is Obama enforce our Laws, what are you kidding, well he has reasons why he can't, and we are suppose to buy them. But give amnesty to his Aunt, well he has reasons why we should! part of that agenda.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:15 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I wouldn't go that far but cheap vegetables in no way benefit the average tax payer if you consider that we are being forced to subsidize their existence here. Some dirt bags benefit from them but not most law abiding citizens.
Your right, it is those dirt bags, who are benefiting from illegals being here. Not us law abiding citizens. Wonder what the price of the vegetables are, and are we really getting a good deal, and what is going into the vegetables and fruits.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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You hard hearted people. You have no clue how hard the life of a criminal is.
Hunted by the police.
Exploited by the system.
Under paid for the crimes committed.
How is an illegal expected to find happiness under these conditions?
Return to his or her county of origin, then all will be fine.
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