U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 11-25-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
15,756 posts, read 32,508,894 times
Reputation: 2661

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isitmeorarethingsnuts? View Post
This will definately be an interesting case to watch. If an illegal alien can sue because he was not protected from criminals....I can only imagine the lawsuits to follow from citizens that have been involved in car accidents with illegals that didn't have license or insurance and the citizen is left holding the bag because ICE didn't protect us from the illegals. Come to think of it, every taxpayer could file suit to recover all taxpayer monies spent on illegals.

Could an African American sue for being attacked by an Hispanic illegal gang member because the police failed to protect him?


It's interesting that you are quite certain he wasn't charged with a crime and that he was a taxpayer. I guess some people just make up the facts as they move along.
Yes as you just did. There is no evidence that he was charged with any crime in any of the surrounding material. And mere illegality is not a crime.

He lived on LI which has a sales tax. That would put the probability that he pays taxes someplace around 100%.

That you raise such a weak issue indicates simply how strongly biased you are.

A convicted tax cheat on his way to prison would still be worthy of protection. Now note that it is well settled that the police owe no one protection. And it is only if it can be shown they were negligent that this guys case can be won.

 
Old 11-25-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
13,387 posts, read 16,212,130 times
Reputation: 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
It is a shame that the family of a criminal can sue because the police did not do enough to protect the criminal.
Only in America.
Even if the police (supposibly) didn't do enough, has there been a written contract guaranteeing his safety?

These guys know that their over the line. They're just pushing the envelope to see what they can get.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
19,899 posts, read 15,298,472 times
Reputation: 6451
Seems Criminals in this Country Illegal to boot, are given a fair shot, this should not be allowed. If our Government was not so dang lax on these issues, both parties, have turned a blinds eye to the immigration problem we face each and every day. Wish one party would get off of the pot, and stop overflowing with the crap that they feed us and the excuses.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 05:28 PM
 
3,378 posts, read 3,133,207 times
Reputation: 708
Quote:
Originally Posted by olecapt View Post
Yes as you just did. There is no evidence that he was charged with any crime in any of the surrounding material. And mere illegality is not a crime.

He lived on LI which has a sales tax. That would put the probability that he pays taxes someplace around 100%.

That you raise such a weak issue indicates simply how strongly biased you are.

A convicted tax cheat on his way to prison would still be worthy of protection. Now note that it is well settled that the police owe no one protection. And it is only if it can be shown they were negligent that this guys case can be won.
so it is NOT a crime to be here illegally?

and, just because he pays sales tax does not really make him a taxpayer. What about income tax?
 
Old 11-25-2010, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
6,611 posts, read 10,954,111 times
Reputation: 3083
This fallacious argument that everything else aside illegals "pay taxes" via Sales Tax is ridiculous. Even TOURISTS in this country pay Sales Tax on their purchases if the state has ST ffs. That doesn't give them any "special status" as "taxpayers" LMAO

The guy that was killed was an illegal who came into the country legally then just simply overstayed his visa. The overstay IS a crime. Of course if he hadn't BEEN here in this country illegally he wouldn't have been killed (or at least not in this particular way by these people).
 
Old 11-25-2010, 06:06 PM
 
18,856 posts, read 30,475,967 times
Reputation: 25990
No, the real issue in this case, is that police officers did not do their job. That is the premise of this lawsuit. The reason it makes it a hate crime, is the victim's ethnicity. And the fact that the case rests on the reason the officers did not do their job to save this victim is because of his ethnicity. I say this case is baseless. Good luck. Hopefully this case will go far away.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 06:09 PM
 
3,378 posts, read 3,133,207 times
Reputation: 708
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasper12 View Post
No, the real issue in this case, is that police officers did not do their job. That is the premise of this lawsuit. The reason it makes it a hate crime, is the victim's ethnicity. And the fact that the case rests on the reason the officers did not do their job to save this victim is because of his ethnicity. I say this case is baseless. Good luck. Hopefully this case will go far away.
Hopefully it will light a fire under ICE (pun intended) to start cracking down on illegal immigrants
 
Old 11-25-2010, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Blue Ridge
20,899 posts, read 22,699,201 times
Reputation: 8636
This is the United States. Anyone walking our streets deserves the same protection as anyone else. In another scenerio this could have been a legal tourist. And if he were then his estate could sue for wrongful death. So it doesnt matter if he was legal or illegal. It matters if he had the same protections. If Suffolk county is proven to be lax on these kids and they have no juvi records, then this county deserves what it gets. Its not like these kids went up to these hispanics asked them their legal status.

Quote:
As per the NYT
Police officers had encountered some of the teenagers in the days and hours leading up to Mr. Lucero’s death, as they investigated separate reports of assaults and attempted assaults, but no arrests were made.
FYI
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/mo...ts-violation-0
 
Old 11-25-2010, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
13,387 posts, read 16,212,130 times
Reputation: 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guamanians View Post
Hopefully it will light a fire under ICE (pun intended) to start cracking down on illegal immigrants
ICE can only do what they're ordered to do (or not to do) by the Fed's,

Last edited by mkfarnam; 11-25-2010 at 07:17 PM..
 
Old 11-25-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
15,756 posts, read 32,508,894 times
Reputation: 2661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guamanians View Post
so it is NOT a crime to be here illegally?
Nope. The vast majority are treated as civil, non-criminal, violations of the statute.

Quote:
and, just because he pays sales tax does not really make him a taxpayer. What about income tax?
What on earth do you think "taxpayer" means?

YOu have to have income past certain thresholds before you are required to pay income tax.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top