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Old 12-20-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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The jobs that you are talking about are jobs that CANNOT be occupied by an undocumented immigrant.

For example, where I live many teachers were laid off because the schools didn't have enough money to pay them all. To become a teacher you must be legal since they check your social security number, also you must speak English, and had to of gone to college. All undocumented immigrants are missing at least one of those things if not all.

Yet there are still jobs out here like fast food restaurants, hotels, etc. that are hiring, but you wont see a teacher working in any of these places or any other person with that kind of education filling in these positions.
So don't say that we are here taking your jobs because you don't see an undocumented immigrant taking a lawyer's, doctor's, or an engineer's job.
If there wasn't any work here then there wouldn't be any undocumented immigrants here because they might as well be striving to live in a place where they are welcomed.

When you ask those questions you make it seem like we can just go to any U.S. embassy and tell them to give us a Visa and they will give it to us.
Well, that isn't how it work.
To be able to come here you must own a home, a car, etc. In Latin america you can usually find two or more families living under one roof. So there is no way they can meet the requirements to come here legally.
There is a way a student can come here as an exchange student and have a student visa, but for that they must have a cool 10,000 dollars in the bank. Now if the middle class citizens here finds it hard to save 10,000 dollars, how hard do you think it is for someone in Latin america to make that much where the wage is a lot lower than here.
If my parents could make that much down there then I wouldn't be here trying to get through college living like a second class citizen where i cannot even drive legally.
Just what would those jobs be? Are you saying illegal aliens have a special talent that no one else posses? Who do you think did those jobs for over 200 years, before the big influx of illegal aliens? It was the same people who made this country into one that others are willing to risk their lives to live in.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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There is no way you can make all illegal immigrants go back to their countries.
You guys can keep dreaming and making up stuff to try to get rid of these hard working people,
you can talk all you want about the things that you want done, but we all know that without these immigrants this country would not be where it is today.
The debt that this country is in today would be much, much worse. Without them the United States would have no way of sub staining itself.

Just look at how bad Arizona is going to be pretty soon. With all the illegal immigrants leaving who is going to take all the HARD jobs that most of the lazy citizens of this country don't want to take??? Businesses will have to shutdown because there will be no one who will do that kind of work, ruining the economy even more. Plus the homes that used to be occupied by immigrants will have to go on sale. Making the owners of these homes lose so much money and maybe even go bankrupt.

So go ahead and whine and pout all you want, but THIS COUNTRY NEEDS US!

Yes, there are stupid illegal immigrants out there that ruin it for the rest of us. The ones that are out there committing crimes, but they are the fewest compared to how many of us are here.
Just like any other kind of race there are the few who steal, kill, rape, etc. You guys just make a big deal out of it because our background is different than yours.
You see whites on the news doing different crimes, but that doesn't mean that all white people commit crimes. The same goes for blacks and Hispanics, Asians and so on.

If you want the best thing for this country... hope that a law is passed to legalize illegal immigrants. If a law was to pass that did that then all the things that many of you are crying about would be put to an end. Like not paying the yearly taxes, working illegally, etc. Besides, it would cost this country a ton of more money to attempt to get remove all the illegal immigrants than to legalize them.
This would boost the economy and help most illegals. Majority of illegals are here to work, not to cause trouble. So deny the legalization of the illegal immigrants with a criminal record, but don't crush the dreams of many innocent people that just want a better life.

Just like you, we are here in the "Pursuit of happiness." In many countries in Latin America it is very difficult to succeed, so we come here to make a better life for ourselves and our families. We just have one life to live and only one world to live it in, so lets make it the best we can.
President Eisenhower deported all the illegals in the 1950s. The 1950s, and 1960s were very prosperous years for American citizens. People bought homes, bought cars, our education system was the tops, most women stayed home to raise their families while their husbands supported the family. We now have probably at least 20,000,000 illegal aliens here, and look at the shape this country's in.

You claim the best thing for this country is to legalize illegal aliens. We did that in 1986, with a promise of no more amnesties, and a secure border, when there were about 3,000,000 illegal aliens here, and look what it got us. Some people put the estimate as high as 30,000,000 living here illegally at this time. So no, we don't need to legalize several milllion more illegal aliens. It didn't work before, and it won't work now.

Answer me this, if you will----Illegal aliens put a lot of time, and energy, into promoting their cause in this country. Why don't they put that time, and energy into improving their own countries? Why do they want to live off of what somrone else has built? You say American citizens are lazy, but isn't the height of laziness taking from others instead of working to improve your own situation in your own country?
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: York, PA
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It is a common error to assume that reluctance for duly enumerated Americans to take minimum wage jobs is due to laziness.

But it is not based on fact.

The fact is that since the hyperinflation starting in the 1970s, the cost of living has made it almost impossible for "lazy" citizens to survive on low paying hard jobs.

I can recall that in the 1960s and 1970s, high school drop outs could find jobs in all those "hard" vocations. And at that time, they could afford to live on the low wages. I knew quite a few, who could afford to pay rent, buy a car, and live a fairly decent life. Some even saved up enough and bought homes.
Not today.
So ultimately, the blame is on the government for creating a barrier to prosperity that shut out the bottom rungs of the ladder for what you think are "lazy" Americans.

In contrast, an illegal immigrant sees only the financial opportunity, in relation to his native homeland. He may send funds home to other family members. His allegiance is to his native land, not to America, the land whose laws he ignores while he seeks his fortune.

An example of the "difference" -
In the Atlanta metro, various municipalities passed laws prohibiting occupation of rentals by more than 4 unrelated people. Yet, the illegals routinely piled in 8, 12, 16, or more, sleeping and working in shifts, splitting the cost among themselves.

So a "legal" American can't cut his costs by as much as the "illegals". And since he's more at risk from prosecution than an illegal - who only risks a "free ride" back home - it's an unfair system that makes it tougher on the law abiding Americans.

Frankly, I think that once the socialist system is eradicated, the Americans will be more than willing to take "hard jobs", for equitable pay. At least they won't be working for the benefit of the bureaucracy and recipient class.
Well said..very well said.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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It is a common error to assume that reluctance for duly enumerated Americans to take minimum wage jobs is due to laziness.

But it is not based on fact.

The fact is that since the hyperinflation starting in the 1970s, the cost of living has made it almost impossible for "lazy" citizens to survive on low paying hard jobs.

I can recall that in the 1960s and 1970s, high school drop outs could find jobs in all those "hard" vocations. And at that time, they could afford to live on the low wages. I knew quite a few, who could afford to pay rent, buy a car, and live a fairly decent life. Some even saved up enough and bought homes.
Not today.
So ultimately, the blame is on the government for creating a barrier to prosperity that shut out the bottom rungs of the ladder for what you think are "lazy" Americans.

In contrast, an illegal immigrant sees only the financial opportunity, in relation to his native homeland. He may send funds home to other family members. His allegiance is to his native land, not to America, the land whose laws he ignores while he seeks his fortune.

An example of the "difference" -
In the Atlanta metro, various municipalities passed laws prohibiting occupation of rentals by more than 4 unrelated people. Yet, the illegals routinely piled in 8, 12, 16, or more, sleeping and working in shifts, splitting the cost among themselves.

So a "legal" American can't cut his costs by as much as the "illegals". And since he's more at risk from prosecution than an illegal - who only risks a "free ride" back home - it's an unfair system that makes it tougher on the law abiding Americans.

Frankly, I think that once the socialist system is eradicated, the Americans will be more than willing to take "hard jobs", for equitable pay. At least they won't be working for the benefit of the bureaucracy and recipient class.
To your first point in error...Why blame the government for hyper-inflation when the market-place is the trigger. The government acts as a stop-gap to slow down economic mis-steps...but how can the goverment stop market place movement in the price of oil? How can the goverment stop companies from closing up shop and moving to un-regulated areas of the world? and how is a un-prepared workforce the problem of the goverment.
Either we want socialism from craddle to grave or we are going to be a self-sufficient people...

and for your second point in error...when government[in this case the city council] passes restictive measures to solve problems...the intended target[illegal aliens living in 8's, 10's and 12's to a house] are not the only affected. Just as American workers doing "day labor" were affected by the laws trying to rid illegal aliens from that type of work...

So if hard working Americans, trying to cut costs, want to live more than 4 to a unit; or stand outside a Lowes store to find work, should petition their government to rescind those laws...post-haste.
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Old 12-22-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The minimum wage was just raised a few years ago and if an undocumented immigrant can live with that wage why can't you guys.
There is work out there so don't make stuff up about us taking all the jobs.
I'm sure none of you guys are going to be cleaning movie theaters from 1 am to 6 am or any other job similar to that.

Here i see white and black people all the time standing on the corner of intersections claiming that they are homeless and are starving. They dress up like bums so people can give them money when they have two legs, two arms and can work perfectly but they prefer to not work and file for unemployment. If you were to ask them why don't they work they would probably give an answer similar to one that you closed minded people would. "there aren't any jobs" really??? because i guarantee you that if i tried to find a job i would find one in less than a week.
I have never seen a Latino asking for money from random people, yet I do see them in the kitchen on most restaurants, cleaning buildings late at night, and working outside in the hot sun in the summer and in the winter when its freezing.
You guys have had everything handed to you. Things here for a legal citizen is so easy.
For example, you can have terrible grades all through school and even drop out if you want. Then all you have to do is get your GED and TA DA! you have graduated. Good job! you have't learned anything, yet you still get move on.
In Latin america kids that are in school fight to be top of their class.
So that's why when something happens you always try to blame someone else for the choices all of you have made. Like blaming the government for almost everything that has gone wrong with this country. Always coming up with excuses.
Ya, Latin America sure has cornered the market on Engineers and Scientists.
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Old 12-24-2010, 05:57 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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All you need do is a hang on another 20 years...maybe a little less.

The Mexican demographic that provides the illegals runs down. So no more ilegals and likely some pressure from Mexico for more young people to return for jobs.

The inability to compromise means this will be the outcome. The Dream Act being a fine example.

We won't mass deport and we won't legalize. So we get the worst of the possible outcomes.
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Old 12-24-2010, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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What's your suggestion to deport illegals? or stop illegal immigration?
Its a concern we all share from public cost to crime.

Do exactlyy what Ike and Truman did, round them up and ship them back. If they come again, shoot them like they do in southern mexico. Sure mexico would raise hell and cry about it, but we could easily expose them too and it's only treating them the way they treat illegals in their country. Extreme? Maybe, but we have been WAY to nice to these people. Now they want us to cater to them when they are invading our house? Not happening from me! It's our house, not theirs. Round them up,block all the roads and go door to door and march them to the border and kick them out. And bring our Troops home to line our borders to protect our Nation,not some sh**hole desert idiots land.
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Old 12-24-2010, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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The minimum wage was just raised a few years ago and if an undocumented immigrant can live with that wage why can't you guys.
There is work out there so don't make stuff up about us taking all the jobs.
I'm sure none of you guys are going to be cleaning movie theaters from 1 am to 6 am or any other job similar to that.

Here i see white and black people all the time standing on the corner of intersections claiming that they are homeless and are starving. They dress up like bums so people can give them money when they have two legs, two arms and can work perfectly but they prefer to not work and file for unemployment. If you were to ask them why don't they work they would probably give an answer similar to one that you closed minded people would. "there aren't any jobs" really??? because i guarantee you that if i tried to find a job i would find one in less than a week.
I have never seen a Latino asking for money from random people, yet I do see them in the kitchen on most restaurants, cleaning buildings late at night, and working outside in the hot sun in the summer and in the winter when its freezing.
You guys have had everything handed to you. Things here for a legal citizen is so easy.
For example, you can have terrible grades all through school and even drop out if you want. Then all you have to do is get your GED and TA DA! you have graduated. Good job! you have't learned anything, yet you still get move on.
In Latin america kids that are in school fight to be top of their class.
So that's why when something happens you always try to blame someone else for the choices all of you have made. Like blaming the government for almost everything that has gone wrong with this country. Always coming up with excuses.

You have some clear misconceptions about pay. I am just finishing up paying income taxes for an illegal that stole my ss number and was working in san diego ca (a place I have never been,yet). he made more than I did in 2006!!! So don't even tell me they work cheaper hourly. Plus most illegals not only get straight pay without taxes being taken out of their pay, but most who employ them provide a roof over their head with electric heat/ac all paid for by the employer. It's still cheaper for the employer than dealing with our out of wack tax codes and hiring a US Citizen. (another reason tax and spend morons need to be kicked out of DC).

As for calling an illegal an undocumented immigrant, hell no I won't !!!!! They are an illegal and should be referred to as such. And that's only when I''m being nice about it. Illegals, and their employers should lose 100 percent of anything they have here and be rounded up and sent back to the country they are from. NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

I will add 1 more thing to this; You won't see an illegal asking for money because it's too easy to be caught so that statement you've never seen a latino ask for money won't hold water. Besides, I've caught a few of them STEALING from me! So why ask for money when they are stealing?
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