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Old 12-04-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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what makes us great is that "everyone" in the US is protected and has rights. if we pick and choose then who do we say doesn't get protected. perhaps old seniors or mentally challenged folks? the poor or perhaps someone that has a different religion than I do. our system isn't perfect for sure but we can't and shouldn't pick and choose
the very thing that makes us a great nation is going to bring us down. We're too soft. Isn't it strange that we need to protect their rights but we shouldn't enforce our other laws? Go figure!
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Old 12-04-2010, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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and they don't have ANY constitutional 'rights' to be in this country illegally in the first place.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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yeah we NEED to 'protect' illegals - the article never said they were "awaiting a hearing" - it said they were "fighting deportation". In other words they've HAD a hearing and they're under a deportation order they're "fighting".
would your rather we just ignore the constitution?
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:56 PM
 
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and they don't have ANY constitutional 'rights' to be in this country illegally in the first place.
it is my understanding everyone, legal or not has constitutional rights on US soil
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:22 AM
 
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it is my understanding everyone, legal or not has constitutional rights on US soil
They have the right to be deported - or they can choose voluntary departure.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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They have the right to be deported - or they can choose voluntary departure.
Her parents and one of her sisters were ordered to voluntarily deport within 60 days back in July this year. Can't find out if they HAVE left or not (probably not). Her other sister, at that time had an application for cancellation of removal proceedings in effect (she had a then 7 month old anchor baby), don't know if that's been heard yet.

It seems that Gaby was brought here by her parents when she was a child, but she is currently NOT illegal, having managed to find herself a sponsor and is currently on an F1 (foreign) student visa, which makes one wonder how she would even be eligible under the provisions of the Dream Act if it WERE to pass, as to be eligible one of the requirements is that you are UNdocumented (as they call it) at the time of enactment.

Or is this just one more case where they'll "make an exception"? (cough cough)

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Old 12-05-2010, 03:47 AM
 
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The US has plenty of regulations... possibly too many. The problem with the US is that regulation and law does not accompany supervision and enforcement which in effect make regulation pointless.

It is hard to even consider ourselves part of a country due to the weaknesses of federalism. Our citizenship laws are some of the weakest in the world where we use place of birth as the "automatic" requirement for citizenship instead of blood lines like ever other country (where one parent has to be a citizen before the child can be "automatically" a citizen).

Couple that with no "official language" status and no means of documenting anybody other than a number with no corresponding picture, fingerprint, or biometric. Anybody can either steal or forge identity in this so called country.

And we wonder why we have such a problem with "illegal immigration"? You have to wonder if revoking citizenship provides more rights than we currently have.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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what makes us great is that "everyone" in the US is protected and has rights. if we pick and choose then who do we say doesn't get protected. perhaps old seniors or mentally challenged folks? the poor or perhaps someone that has a different religion than I do. our system isn't perfect for sure but we can't and shouldn't pick and choose
You mean like how the illegals pick and choose which of our laws they will or will not abide by? Like I.D. theft, using fake or stolen SS numbers and working in our country without authorization, just for starters?
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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what makes us great is that "everyone" in the US is protected and has rights. if we pick and choose then who do we say doesn't get protected. perhaps old seniors or mentally challenged folks? the poor or perhaps someone that has a different religion than I do. our system isn't perfect for sure but we can't and shouldn't pick and choose
If we're such a "Great Nation" and we shouldn't "pick and choose", Then You tell me this.
Why does our Government get to "pick and choose" which laws to enforce and which laws illegal aliens are justified to break?
Why does our Government get to "pick and choose", which Rights apply, and who they apply to.
Not to mention employers that choose to hire illegal worker who have no rights to work in this country?

What happened to the EEOC Laws.. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.).. .which prohibit employment discrimination.?
So don't tell me the this is a Great nation because our Rights and Laws are spread out to EVERYONE.

We The People, The US Citizens, are the ones being discriminated against. If you can't see that, then you have an unequal balance that leans to one side yourself.

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Old 12-05-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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You mean like how the illegals pick and choose which of our laws they will or will not abide by? Like I.D. theft, using fake or stolen SS numbers and working in our country without authorization, just for starters?
I answered the op's question as to "why" IMO illegals are allowed to "fight" deportation. the op was not about other crimes that are being committed.

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If we're such a "Great Nation" and we shouldn't "pick and choose", Then You tell me this.
Why does our Government get to "pick and choose" which laws to enforce and which laws illegal aliens are justified to break?
Why does our Government get to "pick and choose", which Rights apply, and who they apply to.
Not to mention employers that choose to hire illegal worker who have no rights to work in this country?

What happened to the EEOC Laws.. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.).. .which prohibit employment discrimination.?
So don't tell me the this is a Great nation because our Rights and Laws are spread out to EVERYONE.

We The People, The US Citizens, are the ones being discriminated against. If you can't see that, then you have an unequal balance that leans to one side yourself.
I can't imagine any american not thinking we are a GREAT nation, despite our faults.

as to why our government picks and chooses what laws to enforce or ignore I would guess it is money.

if our government tries to pick and choose what rights to afford some and not others, in america we have the right to go to court and challenge it. does that mean we will always agree with the challenge, no of course not.

do I like it that a murderer, caught red handed, with his prints on a weapon, both his and the victims blood on it, as well as a confession to the police, can and does plead innocent and demands a jury trial? no. do I like it that once convicted to death he has what seems like unlimited appeals that can cost millions and drag on for years? no. however the other side of that coin is an innocent person charged with a crime they didn't commit.

same thing as to why people are able to fight what they feel they should, our constitution. it is a right. take out the emotion and the bias, the legal wrangling. the constitution is meant to protect us as individuals, even if we may not like the individual or their fight, we are all entitled to protest.
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