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Old 12-06-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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No I'd rather they not be treated like some special group under persecution. Don't forget they are committing a crime just being here.
I could agree with that however our constitution says otherwise.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I could agree with that however our constitution says otherwise.
No it doesn't. No where does it say that any group is "special" in the eyes of the law. These drains on society come here ILLEGALLY. They are ILLEGAL immigrants. They have already committed a crime just being here. They get a deportation hearing and if they lose tough luck. Go back to your homeland you're not wanted or needed here if you are going to come illegally. You talk a lot about "picking and choosing," how come this group of people gets to "pick and choose" what laws they abide by? How come they get to "pick" and "choose" to not abide by our immigration law? And then they come here and have the AUDACITY to cry and whine about their "rights" after we feed them, give them free healthcare, free education, welfare benefits, etc. You want justice? Tell me where is the justice in that?
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:36 PM
 
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No it doesn't. No where does it say that any group is "special" in the eyes of the law. These drains on society come here ILLEGALLY. They are ILLEGAL immigrants. They have already committed a crime just being here. They get a deportation hearing and if they lose tough luck. Go back to your homeland you're not wanted or needed here if you are going to come illegally. You talk a lot about "picking and choosing," how come this group of people gets to "pick and choose" what laws they abide by? How come they get to "pick" and "choose" to not abide by our immigration law? And then they come here and have the AUDACITY to cry and whine about their "rights" after we feed them, give them free healthcare, free education, welfare benefits, etc. You want justice? Tell me where is the justice in that?

the constitution does not say they are special. the 14th amendment "seems" to say all people legal or not, on US soil are afforded protection and equal rights. which is why an illegal or anyone can put up a legal "fight" for whatever they choose.

as to this group picking and choosing what law they abide by most people do the same thing. we pick and choose if we obey the speed limit or if we rob a bank.

it does feel like life is not fair or that some seem to take advantage of the system, it does seem like an injustice in many cases.

the flip side of the coin is individual freedom from unlawful prosecution and so much more.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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the constitution does not say they are special. the 14th amendment "seems" to say all people legal or not, on US soil are afforded protection and equal rights. which is why an illegal or anyone can put up a legal "fight" for whatever they choose.

as to this group picking and choosing what law they abide by most people do the same thing. we pick and choose if we obey the speed limit or if we rob a bank.

it does feel like life is not fair or that some seem to take advantage of the system, it does seem like an injustice in many cases.

the flip side of the coin is individual freedom from unlawful prosecution and so much more.
There you go again, comparing Legal Citizens with illeal aliens.


And don't get started with "equal rights" again, because there's no way in hell that you can convince anyone here
that the 14th Amendment is followed as it was meant to be.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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There you go again, comparing Legal Citizens with illeal aliens.


And don't get started with "equal rights" again, because there's no way in hell that you can convince anyone here
that the 14th Amendment is followed as it was meant to be.
aren't you tired of hitting your head on that particular brick wall yet?

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Old 12-06-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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aren't you tired of hitting your head on that particular brick wall yet?
I'll have to take the "5th amendment" on that.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Houston area, for now
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I hate the illegal problem as much as we all do but the OPs question is an easy answer. We have this little peace of parchment some call the most important writing in American history. I think it's called the Constitution. In it it says something about innocent until proven guilty I think.
When you deny one man his rights you end up denying you own in the long run. Let it do it's job. Maybe it doesn't seem fast enough but in the long run it works.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:16 PM
 
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There you go again, comparing Legal Citizens with illeal aliens.


And don't get started with "equal rights" again, because there's no way in hell that you can convince anyone here
that the 14th Amendment is followed as it was meant to be.
mk, your problem is with the constitution, I do not compare illegal with legal, it is the constitution that says ALL persons are equal and have rights when on US soil.

it is the constitution that sees no distinction not me.

Dewmik said it best of all

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I hate the illegal problem as much as we all do but the OPs question is an easy answer. We have this little peace of parchment some call the most important writing in American history. I think it's called the constitution. In it it says something about innocent until proven guilty I think.
When you deny one man his rights you end up denying you own in the long run. Let it do it's job. maybe it doesn't seem fast enough but in the long run it works.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I hate the illegal problem as much as we all do but the OPs question is an easy answer. We have this little peace of parchment some call the most important writing in American history. I think it's called the Constitution. In it it says something about innocent until proven guilty I think.
When you deny one man his rights you end up denying you own in the long run. Let it do it's job. Maybe it doesn't seem fast enough but in the long run it works.
So how long do you think they NEED to be allowed to remain here AFTER they have already had their hearings, been ordered to voluntarily depart yet are still here? No-one is denying them the right to a fair hearing - what I object to, is their refusal to COMPLY with the results of that hearing because it DOESN"T SUIT THEM.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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So how long do you think they NEED to be allowed to remain here AFTER they have already had their hearings, been ordered to voluntarily depart yet are still here? No-one is denying them the right to a fair hearing - what I object to, is their refusal to COMPLY with the results of that hearing because it DOESN"T SUIT THEM.
opyelie the key word in your question is "voluntarily" it shouldn't be voluntary it should be mandatory.
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