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Old 12-09-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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They aren't 'seeking' karma. It's just happening.

I'm Indigenous, and Mexicans are Indigenous to the North and South American continents.......NOT country as countries rise and fall, but continent.

People, your worked up and the bull hasn't left the arena yet. This still has to get through the Senate, and that's doubtful. The American Congressmen, both house and senate are all prostitutes, and their pimps are the corporations that buy their way into office. Like the big businesses that recruit and hire undocumented workers.

With every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is no definite temporal scale for the reaction to take place.
People from Spain are indigenous to New Jersey?

Huh?

Fine big business. But don't punish the American taxpayer or the legal immigrant because poor people from Mexico want something.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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They aren't 'seeking' karma. It's just happening.

I'm Indigenous, and Mexicans are Indigenous to the North and South American continents.......NOT country as countries rise and fall, but continent.

People, your worked up and the bull hasn't left the arena yet. This still has to get through the Senate, and that's doubtful. The American Congressmen, both house and senate are all prostitutes, and their pimps are the corporations that buy their way into office. Like the big businesses that recruit and hire undocumented workers.

With every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is no definite temporal scale for the reaction to take place.
Recruit? As in travels to Mexico offers a job, a sign on bonus etc?
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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They aren't 'seeking' karma. It's just happening.

I'm Indigenous, and Mexicans are Indigenous to the North and South American continents.......NOT country as countries rise and fall, but continent.

People, your worked up and the bull hasn't left the arena yet. This still has to get through the Senate, and that's doubtful. The American Congressmen, both house and senate are all prostitutes, and their pimps are the corporations that buy their way into office. Like the big businesses that recruit and hire undocumented workers.

With every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is no definite temporal scale for the reaction to take place.
Oh, now you say it isn't karma? Make up your mind. No one is indigenous to an entire continent. They are only indigenous to those lands that they settled in, commonly called countries today. I don't see anyone in Europe claiming indigenenous territory to the entire continent of Europe. They only have rights in the countries that they are citizens of. The same applies on this side of the world.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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OMG...What are they thinking!!!


I guess they just think additional votes for thr Dem....not about the safety of this country.
Not so fast.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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People from Spain are indigenous to New Jersey?

Huh?

Fine big business. But don't punish the American taxpayer or the legal immigrant because poor people from Mexico want something.
Eleanora1, this isn't personal. I'm not sure what you meant about 'people from Spain are Indigenous to NJ". Many Mexican Nationals are Indigenous to many regions of the Western United States.

The best approach to solve a problem is to research what caused the problem. There are almost always multiple variables and on various levels of priority. Regardless of the issue or which side of the issue one will tend to choose it's best to shoot for objectionality. That's hard for all of us, but it's a must if we're to arrive at real solutions; moral solutions; and ethical solutions.

If any of you truly wanted to STOP illegal immigration then you'd have to start with the HUGE Corporations who actively recruit and hire them. Those same corporations pay big bucks to politicians' campaigns, so nothing will ever be done. Politicians are virtually worthless. Corporations are the ones who run the show in American, and it's all about consumption and the bottom line. Illegal labor makes for bigger profits.

Do you not see the futility in the argument of, "round them up and deport them?" It'll never happen. The corporations OWN the politicians.

Actually, it's too bad the Dream Act failed, because it was a good start. Those kids have grown up in America and are as American as anyone else.
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Recruit? As in travels to Mexico offers a job, a sign on bonus etc?

Yes.

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Old 12-09-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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Eleanora1, this isn't personal. I'm not sure what you meant about 'people from Spain are Indigenous to NJ". Many Mexican Nationals are Indigenous to many regions of the Western United States.

The best approach to solve a problem is to research what caused the problem. There are almost always multiple variables and on various levels of priority. Regardless of the issue or which side of the issue one will tend to choose it's best to shoot for objectionality. That's hard for all of us, but it's a must if we're to arrive at real solutions; moral solutions; and ethical solutions.

If any of you truly wanted to STOP illegal immigration then you'd have to start with the HUGE Corporations who actively recruit and hire them. Those same corporations pay big bucks to politicians' campaigns, so nothing will ever be done. Politicians are virtually worthless. Corporations are the ones who run the show in American, and it's all about consumption and the bottom line. Illegal labor makes for bigger profits.

Do you not see the futility in the argument of, "round them up and deport them?" It'll never happen. The corporations OWN the politicians.

Actually, it's too bad the Dream Act failed, because it was a good start. Those kids have grown up in America and are as American as anyone else.
A moral solution means we don't give benefits to people who have parents who jumped the line. A moral solution means that if you move somewhere you do so with permission and obey the country's laws. A moral solution means you don't throw a hissy fit and make demands when you move somewhere.

Corporations don't have clean hands. But neither does a migrant from Mexico who simply ignores our laws and then whines we don't respect him. Americans do not owe anything to people from Mexico or Latin America. I don't care if they are descended from Spaniards or from Native American tribes. They are Mexican or Latin American right now. They need to go home.

This bill is an insult to every single legal immigrant. Identity politics do not make good national policies.
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Eleanora1, this isn't personal. I'm not sure what you meant about 'people from Spain are Indigenous to NJ". Many Mexican Nationals are Indigenous to many regions of the Western United States.

The best approach to solve a problem is to research what caused the problem. There are almost always multiple variables and on various levels of priority. Regardless of the issue or which side of the issue one will tend to choose it's best to shoot for objectionality. That's hard for all of us, but it's a must if we're to arrive at real solutions; moral solutions; and ethical solutions.

If any of you truly wanted to STOP illegal immigration then you'd have to start with the HUGE Corporations who actively recruit and hire them. Those same corporations pay big bucks to politicians' campaigns, so nothing will ever be done. Politicians are virtually worthless. Corporations are the ones who run the show in American, and it's all about consumption and the bottom line. Illegal labor makes for bigger profits.

Do you not see the futility in the argument of, "round them up and deport them?" It'll never happen. The corporations OWN the politicians.

Actually, it's too bad the Dream Act failed, because it was a good start. Those kids have grown up in America and are as American as anyone else.
When the Treaty of Guadalupe was signed by both the U.S. and Mexico and Mexico was paid 15 million dollars and forgiven many debts to acquire those southwest territories, Mexican nationals were given the choice to become U.S. citizens or to remain Mexicans in Mexico in the newly drawn border after the treaty was signed. Those who didn't choose to become U.S. citizens remained in Mexico. Only the descendants of those who chose to remain in the U.S. and become citizens could be considered indigenous to the U.S. Their tribal ancestors however (the Aztecs, Mayans) never did occupy any part of the U.S. Now that we have cleared up your revisionist history I will move on to your other remarks.

Americans are well aware of the guilt and corruption of the employers with a wink and a nod from our government. We fight to have e-verify implemented in all workplaces. It is an uphill battle though from the right who wants cheap labor and the left who wants to legalize them for votes. All we can do is vote out the bums in congress who put cheap labor and votes above the rule of law.

The third guilty party is the illegals themselves. They aren't the innocents in this either whether they be recruited or not they know what they are doing is illegal. Even though these Dream Act kids were brought here by their parents we have no reason to reward their parent's illegal behavior and we do not need these kids competing for our jobs and resources. There are too many loopholes in the Dream Act also that will have long term negative consequences to our country.

Lastly, we don't need to round up illegals and deport them. They will leave on their own accord when they know there will be no amnesty "Dream Act" or otherwise, no taxpayer benefits, no jobs and no birthright citizenship. This will deter most from coming here in the future also.
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:34 PM
 
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There's the next new voter pool...
.....and welfare pool......and inmate pool....and dropout pool....and teen pregnancy pool...and hit and run pool....ect, ect, ect...
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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.... They will leave on their own accord when they know there will be no amnesty "Dream Act" or otherwise, no taxpayer benefits, no jobs and no birthright citizenship. This will deter most from coming here in the future also.
They would only leave if the U.S. were worse off economically than Mexicaca....which will never happen.
Do you think mexico would hesitate to close the border if they were in our place? Right...close the border and begin mass deportations immediately.
I agree with you, they can leave under their own power...."start marching, my little illegal chalupas!"
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