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Old 12-11-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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So morality means punishing children for mistakes their parents made?

Morality is telling people to wait in line while people are getting killed all around them (Jaurez, Tijuana, Nogales etc.) and when they run for their lives find more ways to punish them.

God help us if thats the new sense of morality.
If you're 18 or over you're not a child. You're certainly not entitled to jump the immigration waiting line because your parents broke our immigration laws. You most certainly should not have the right to sponsor your law breaking parents for American citizenship. Things would suck less in Mexico if Mexicans actually fought against the problems in their society. Instead they come here, violate our immigration laws and demand things from us.

More than a billion people in the world live on less than $1.25 a day. Can they come here as well? Americans have let in over one tenth of Mexico's population. How many millions more should we let in? Especially in the face of the greatest recession in several generations? If we can't find jobs for our own people why are somehow obligated to find jobs for law breaking Mexican nationals?

Mexico's problems are Mexico's problems to solve. The American taxpayer should not be penalized because Mexicans would rather come here and place burdens on us rather than demand a better society for their own people.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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They are not lies, it is a well known fact that these groups were all started and still chaired by Racist John Tanton.
The majority of Americans probably don't know enough about this bill to have a truly informed opinion. I hope our nation's legislators stay true to the needs of our country rather than pandering to the needs of a single ethnic group. Particularly when the needs and desires of said ethnic group clearly goes against the national interest.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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The bill is deeply flawed. It has all kinds of loopholes and should not pass.

The E in DREAM - By Heather Mac Donald - The Corner - National Review Online

To convert conditional legal status to permanent legal status, the illegal alien needs at most to have completed two years worth of college credits over ten years. He need not have earned a bachelor’s degree, nor have maintained a high GPA. He could have spent five years in remedial classes and the next five accumulating a year’s worth of credits in Chicano/a studies. But even that minimal educational standard is waivable. If the illegal alien shows “compelling circumstances” for not accumulating two years worth of credits or if removal would cause “extremely unusual hardship” to the alien or his family, he can still be granted permanent legal status.

The DREAM Act is not about creating an incentive for, or rewarding, high educational achievement. It is about trying to extend an amnesty to as many illegal aliens as possible, who will then have the ability to legalize their family members.

The purpose of our immigration laws should be quite simple: to benefit American citizens. This bill does not do that. This bill is all about making it as easy as possible for Mexican nationals and their offspring to claim American citizenship. That's unfair to legal immigrants and utterly contrary to the needs of most Americans.
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Old 12-11-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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They are not lies, it is a well known fact that these groups were all started and still chaired by Racist John Tanton.
It IS a lie that any of those groups you mentioned are anti"immigrant". Why do you continue on with this? Most of those groups want immigrants to come legally and in limited numbers that best suits our country's need. That is NOT being anti-immigrant by any stretch of the imagination. Show proof that Tanton is a racist!
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Old 12-11-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Tokyo (but will always be) Phoenix, Az
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The organization that sponsored those polls are anti-immigrant and clearly have an agenda. Please provide a poll that is not commissioned by FAIR, NUMBERUSA, CIS.



Got a link to this research you are talking about?
Don't think I need to anymore. Since Galloup polled a majority of hispanics compared to other races. Any poll I put up can just as factual and more or less FAIR.
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Old 12-11-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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AN OUTRAGE.

I cannot believe this. As if we need more people in this country. More dirty unskilled immigrants. Hah.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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The droves of uneducated, unskilled illegals crossing the border into the USA is a tremendous financial benefit to Mexico and the other Latin American countries from which they hail. And who's stuck holding the bill?

How much are your health insurance costs going up this year to help covered the un or underinsured? How much do you think they will rise on top of that once we have more uninsured amnestied illegals? Nevermind the costs of social services they (and their sponsored families) will be eligible for? Take a long hard look at the man washing the dishes, raking the leaves, the woman cleaning the toilets. DREAmnesty means that instead of them working for citizens, citizens will be working for them.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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Don't think I need to anymore. Since Galloup polled a majority of hispanics compared to other races. Any poll I put up can just as factual and more or less FAIR.
Where does it say Gallup polled a majority of Hispanics?
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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This bill is insane. We're basically supposed to bend over backwards to help and support everyone who isn't here legally, but not to help those that are actual American citizens. I've known many immigrants of various nationalities whom migrated here legally. They actually bother to pay their taxes and have actually bothered to learn the language. Legal immigrants are able to contribute to society. Illegals shouldn't be exempt from the same laws that everyone else follows although apparently bleeding hearts think that illegals are above the law. Also, here's how Mexico deals with illegals:

John W. Slagle -- Mexico's Immigration Laws and Illegal Aliens

Interesting that Mexico deports and imprisons illegals, but we aren't supposed to do the same.
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The majority of Americans probably don't know enough about this bill to have a truly informed opinion. I hope our nation's legislators stay true to the needs of our country rather than pandering to the needs of a single ethnic group. Particularly when the needs and desires of said ethnic group clearly goes against the national interest.
And this is exactly how our elected reps like to keep us, in the dark. They will give us a few highlights, sugar coat it and say yeah its a sacrifice but....
Or they try to guilt us into feeling bad if we don't go along.
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