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Sure, they can attend a college for 2 years, but it has to be in a 4-year bachelors degree program... meaning, at least half of the credits required for a 4-year bachelors (or higher) degree. If they are taking random classes for two years that don't amount to half of the credits for a bachelors degree, it won't satisfy the requirement.
That's not all that hard to do. The first two years of most degree plans are basic courses and electives. And includes placement credits like CLEP and distance education (online courses).
And they have 6 to 10 years to get it done. (Some sites claim 6 but I remember reading 10). Either way, by the time comes that they would be judged as failing to satisfy the requirements, they will have entrenched themselves here in other ways. And the bill allows for extensions, don't tell me when Jose shows he has 48 of the 60 hours needed he is going to be denied an extension and kicked out.
The US Government has said that isn't easy to do... 88,000 parents of US citizens have been deported over the past 10 years. A "DREAMie" isn't going to have an easier time obtaining legal status by having a child here. The hardship waiver in the DREAM Act is no different than what is currently available to any undocumented parent of a US Citizen.
88,000 out of an estimated population of 12 to 20 million and you cite that as evidence that it isn't easy for an illegal to remain here? Your own link (note it doesn't provide the link to the study it tells us about, there's that "don't read it yourself, we'll read it for you" attitude again) says most were for criminal convictions. And when it characterizes offenses as assault and drunken driving as "minor offenses" it tells me something of their agenda.
It doesn't say it has to be required for the degree, only 2 years at a university offering a degree program. Many people change their major once they get into the system. I did. And they are offered 10 years and extensions to accomplish this. Incidently, I don't see where it says how many credit hours per year. How about 3 credit hours per year for 2 years? Does that work? I don't see how else it could take 10 years to complete, do you? When you don't actually have to obtain a degree, yes, you can shop your courses.
Very astute observation. The bill measures college performance in the units of years but colleges do not measure progress in those units. Now one would assume that requiring two years of a four year degree means earning 50% of the minimum required credits but you know what happens to u and me when we assume.
WOW, that's 8800 per year! Gosh, I wonder what they did!
You didn't hear about the thousands that were relaesed a few months ago without even facing a hearing. I guess it was pretty easy for them. They didn't have to prove ANY hardship other than not wanting to be deported!
I remember when that happened. Even defendants and their lawyers were shocked. Many had made final arrangements and said their goodbyes and showed up at their hearing prepared to be deported, only to be bewildered and ecstatic to hear one by one the prosecutor recommend the case be dismissed.
Which illustrates that all those so-called requirements in the Act mean nothing if they will not be enforced. We already have laws that set requirements for legal status that this administration simply chooses not to enforce. Will these same people choose to enforce the requirements in this Act?
Again with the race card! Mexicans aren't the only illegals in this country and Mexican isn't a race.
If these illegals left it would be Americans taking those jobs and THEY in turn would be paying those same taxes. So your argument is moot.
We have a lot of Americans who won't take those low-paying jobs even if they were available. They are sitting back drawing unemployment now rather than do those low wage jobs.
Not at all.
If someone entered your home without permission, decided to move in, made use of your assets, would you be ok with this?
What if the they then demanded that you also accept their family to move in?
What if while living with you they ate your food, used your phone, drove your car without permissin and made charges against your credit card? Still ok with this?
Ok so after a while they get a job and start paying a little towards your bills. You still don't mind having these strangers live with you?
Notice no mention of race because race is not important. Its the act that we are discussing.
So in your opinion do we as a nation have a right to select who we grant a VISA? Every other nation does, so do we have that right? If so why is it wrong for us to excercise that right?
And this analogy illustrates why the counter claim that "illegals contribute more to the economy than they cost" is irrelevant.
Nobody has the right to move into your home without your permission. It would not matter if they mowed the yard, cleaned the house, stocked the fridge, and paid more towards utilities than they use. They still have no right to move into your home without your permission. And if you exercise your right to have them removed, that does not make you a heartless immoral person.
Have we ever tried jailing the employers? I am not saying it would work - I just didn't know if we have ever tried that angle
We have and do. The problem though is that employers typically have the resources to put up a strong legal fight with appeals, making a conviction very time consuming and costly.
We have a lot of Americans who won't take those low-paying jobs even if they were available. They are sitting back drawing unemployment now rather than do those low wage jobs.
Many times unemployment pays more than a low wage job. If you have a family to feed you take the most you can get in today's economy. Wait till all the extensions run out and you will see Americans wanting those jobs. Not that they will get them anyway where there are illegals working them for less. What about the fast food jobs and other entry level jobs that our youth need but can't get because the employers are hiring low waged illegal crews who only communicate in Spanish?
Maybe if these citizens would get off the couch maybe then they can find decent jobs instead of being the trash guy that comes around every Friday.
Actually I have found illegals more enthusiastic and ready to work then most American citizens.
So you're saying giving them citizenship would be counterproductive? If being a US citizen makes one lazy, then there's no good reason to put illegals on that path.
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