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Old 01-02-2011, 12:17 AM
 
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You don't want better methods, you want open borders which are better for those who want to come here but not follow the current laws.
I actually do since it would help stem illegal immigration. I stated that a combination of reform and enforcement would probably be the best solution.
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:19 AM
 
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I actually do since it would help stem illegal immigration. I stated that a combination of reform and enforcement would probably be the best solution.
It wouldn't help stem illegal immigration, it would just make it legal which is basically giving up.
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:36 AM
 
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It wouldn't help stem illegal immigration, it would just make it legal which is basically giving up.
No, it would stem if we implement a better guest worker program. Avoid the same mistakes and corruption as Bracero.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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No, it would stem if we implement a better guest worker program. Avoid the same mistakes and corruption as Bracero.
What you don't get is that we don't need these people! That is why we have quotas. If we don't need these excess people then why would we need a better guest worker program? They just become a burden to us then. 1.5 legal immigrants per year more than fills our needs especially with so many Americans out of work now. You just don't get the bottom line that immigration should be based on our needs, not the needs of immigrants.

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Old 01-02-2011, 03:06 PM
 
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What you don't get is that we don't need these people! That is why we have quotas. If we don't need these access people then why would we need a better guest worker program? They just become a burden to us. 1.5 legal immigrants per year more than fills our needs especially with so many Americans out of work now. You just don't get the bottom line that immigration should be based on our needs, not the needs of immigrants.
Particularly illegal immigrants largely from a single ethnic group and region. The purpose of our immgration laws is to make America a better place. The purpose of our immigration laws is not to fix Mexico or El Salvador's problems.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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Again there are significant barriers to coming legally. Thus, we need to provide better methods. However, they are here. We can't go back to the past.
Those barriers are in place to prevent more immigrants from coming here than we can accomodate. We may not be able to go back to the past but we can certainly enforce our immigration laws to make them leave. Being here doesn't guarantee permanency here.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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Your argument is as if laws shouldn't be changed as reflection of the current of affairs then.

Basically if the law says A, but doesn't fit reality, then A should take precedence? Not be changed?

What segment of th voter base? That's not an intelligible question. All segments, since the main point is trying to stay elected.

Because the diversity issue you brought up is pretty much a bad fallacious argument.
Sure laws can be changed to reflect the changing times but that doesn't give these illegals the right to come here before they are changed.

So you are saying that our quotas are too low because it keeps certain politicans in office? Who are these politicans who want unreasonably low quotas and why? Seems if we really needed the added population growth and we are short on American workers that they would be advocates for higher quotas.

No, diversity isn't a bad fallacious argument. We have been a nation based on diversity and fairness to all potential immigrants. How do we remain diverse if so many are coming here illegally from mostly one ethnic group? You call that diversity and fairness? What happens is colonization by that ethnic group. We are seeiing it all over the country now but especially in the southwest.
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