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Old 12-29-2010, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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then drug dealers are unlicensed pharmacist.

 
Old 12-29-2010, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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And, burglars are uninvited guests.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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I don't have a problem with the term "illegal immigrant" but it is argued that burglars and uninvited guests is the wrong analogy. It's the difference between between being a suspect and being convicted. They are suspected illegal immigrants until a court rules otherwise. True, you wouldn't call the cops and say "there is a suspected burglar in my living room allegedly stealing my TV" but in the eyes of the law he is treated as a suspect.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't have a problem with the term "illegal immigrant" but it is argued that burglars and uninvited guests is the wrong analogy. It's the difference between between being a suspect and being convicted. They are suspected illegal immigrants until a court rules otherwise. True, you wouldn't call the cops and say "there is a suspected burglar in my living room allegedly stealing my TV" but in the eyes of the law he is treated as a suspect.
It is exactly the same analogy. Whether it's an overstay or a border jumper they have both broken a law. Allegedly.

Same as a robber, they are a trespasser until convicted of stealing something. Suspected illegal alien or suspected burglar, no difference except in the magnitude of crime. If people don't want the label they shouldn't commit the crime.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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I don't have a problem with the term "illegal immigrant" but it is argued that burglars and uninvited guests is the wrong analogy. It's the difference between between being a suspect and being convicted. They are suspected illegal immigrants until a court rules otherwise. True, you wouldn't call the cops and say "there is a suspected burglar in my living room allegedly stealing my TV" but in the eyes of the law he is treated as a suspect.
But we aren't talking about "suspected" illegal aliens. We are talking about those who actually are. Whether they have been caught or convicted is really irrelevant unless you are claiming there are no illegal aliens in our country. Someone breaking into your house is still a burgler before or after you call the police.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I don't have a problem with the term "illegal immigrant" but it is argued that burglars and uninvited guests is the wrong analogy. It's the difference between between being a suspect and being convicted. They are suspected illegal immigrants until a court rules otherwise. True, you wouldn't call the cops and say "there is a suspected burglar in my living room allegedly stealing my TV" but in the eyes of the law he is treated as a suspect.
Both analogies are based on the fact that legal permission is required to distribute drugs or enter a private residence. Likewise, a foreign national cannot live in this country without the permission of the federal government. Those who fail to comply, are in violation of the law, and are aptly referred to as illegal aliens.

The difference between being a suspect and being convicted is only an issue of getting caught and prosecuted. It doesn’t mitigate or negate the illegality of the behavior. Years ago, my house was burglarized, but they never caught the perpetrators. Does the fact that they were never apprehended mean they aren’t burglars? No, it simply means they aren’t “convicted” burglars. If Ted Bundy had managed to evade detection, wouldn’t he still be a murderer?
 
Old 12-29-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Why don't we be totally pc and call them what they are, foreign national lawbreakers
 
Old 12-29-2010, 01:45 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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But we aren't talking about "suspected" illegal aliens. We are talking about those who actually are. Whether they have been caught or convicted is really irrelevant unless you are claiming there are no illegal aliens in our country. Someone breaking into your house is still a burgler before or after you call the police.
incorrect...

someone is suspected of B&E. the act is not a sentence. Its the police that determins through their investigation whether that person is committing B&E or your drunk neighbor going into the wrong house.


but knowing some on this fourm...he's likely to be their "late" drunk neighbor.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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then drug dealers are unlicensed pharmacist.
Great analogy.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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And, burglars are uninvited guests.
A burglar would be a consumer without money
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