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Old 07-25-2007, 05:55 AM
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Everybody calm down and discuss the topic, not each other or the thread will be closed and infractions will follow.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:40 PM
 
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Everybody calm down and discuss the topic, not each other or the thread will be closed and infractions will follow.
Yac.
Well. of course we could do that, if you INSIST---but it won't be nearly as much fun....
 
Old 07-26-2007, 06:13 AM
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Well. of course we could do that, if you INSIST---but it won't be nearly as much fun....
While this might be true, I must insisit
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Prison!
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true that...now how I going to afford my $100k /monthly house mortgage without them! LOL...

Those who said, illegal stole their jobs..oh well. If you can lost your job to a non english speaking person in a english speaking country, not educated, then maybe you should start evaluate yourself...why I am so bad? why i suck?
Crimes..on the other hand...places like CA, NC it's a pretty big problem.

Economy...draining our moeny to foreign soil...devaluating the US dollars...is not a good thing. Remember how the 98 Asia Currency crisis started?
Also draining the local budgets
 
Old 07-28-2007, 11:03 PM
 
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I am a Mexican citizen and I live in Mexico, Linson.
sorry i took so long to get back to you on this. MoreHillbillyWoman - or whatever - kinda took the ball and ran with it - into the wrong in-zone. i was more interested in your insight into the minds of Mexicans (living in Mexico).

as you may be aware, i dont stand with those who must demonize the illegal immigrant. but what frustrates many of us Americans is the fact that our country is being used as a social-economic safety valve for Mexico and Latin America's excess population. and this cycle prevents social change in Mexico and Latin America.

what is being done (if anything) in Mexico to improve the overall standard of living so that people will not need to impose themselves on the United States of America - or come here just to find work and escape abject poverty. People are voting with their feet that they are discontent with the Mexican society, so is there any desire to force change in that society? if there is that desire, we Americans certainly dont get a sense of it. we see more Mexican nationals protesting on our streets for entitlements from our country than we see people demanding rights and entitlements in their homeland.

i do not expect you to be able to answer this, but you might be in a unique position to give some insight as to what is going on in the hearts and minds of the people of Mexico, and what they think about all of this.
 
Old 07-28-2007, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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sorry i took so long to get back to you on this. MoreHillbillyWoman - or whatever - kinda took the ball and ran with it - into the wrong in-zone. i was more interested in your insight into the minds of Mexicans (living in Mexico).

as you may be aware, i dont stand with those who must demonize the illegal immigrant. but what frustrates many of us Americans is the fact that our country is being used as a social-economic safety valve for Mexico and Latin America's excess population. and this cycle prevents social change in Mexico and Latin America.

what is being done (if anything) in Mexico to improve the overall standard of living so that people will not need to impose themselves on the United States of America - or come here just to find work and escape abject poverty. People are voting with their feet that they are discontent with the Mexican society, so is there any desire to force change in that society? if there is that desire, we Americans certainly dont get a sense of it. we see more Mexican nationals protesting on our streets for entitlements from our country than we see people demanding rights and entitlements in their homeland.

i do not expect you to be able to answer this, but you might be in a unique position to give some insight as to what is going on in the hearts and minds of the people of Mexico, and what they think about all of this.
Linson I appreciate your post - raises the bar in this neck of the woods substantially.

I just came back from a trip through Mexico and discussed some of these issues with many of the people living there. I can tell you there is a widespread acknowledgement and dissatisfaction with the corruption that permeates the political and social elite in their society. As you may or may not know, the PRI dominated Mexican politics for the last century. Mexico was a democracy in name only. President Fox in 2000 was the first opposition leader to ever win an election, the most honest election Mexico has ever had. Fox and Bush in fact had some meetings and an ambitious agenda planned to work on the issues facing our two countries, including immigration. After 9/11, Bush basically turned his back on all of this and was consumed with Iraq ever since. Fox was unable to initiate the change he had promised and caused a lot of resentment among the Mexican population.

This last election in 2006 provided a Bush-Gore type showdown by two candidates. Calderon (the conservative pro- business candidate) won by only a few hundred thousand votes... 0.5 %... over Lopez Obrador, the socialist "for the people" candidate. There was a bitter division and controversy and Lopez Obrador staged massive strikes in the capital before he finally gave up.

So today the people's attitude from those I talk to is - they are aware of the widespread corruption of the ruling elite class. They do feel hope from these recent elections that their country is finally experiencing some semblances of democracy and that change will come, even though it will not come quickly. Calderon has done some positive things already, such as sending his military up to some of the Northern border towns to confront the drug lords and stop the rising violence in those areas due to drugs. At the same time they do share some frustration that they get much of the blame for the issues affecting both countries. The drugs and violence along the border for example...when the U.S. is the one consuming the drugs and supplying the weapons for the drug violence. And all of the talk against Mexicans and illegals when the perception is they are needed for cheap manual labor in the U.S.
 
Old 07-29-2007, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Cuernavaca, Mexico
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That’s pretty much it; I’d only add that the Mexican Army is fighting drug traffic and violence in central and southern states as well.
 
Old 07-29-2007, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Occupied Territory
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sorry i took so long to get back to you on this. MoreHillbillyWoman - or whatever - kinda took the ball and ran with it - into the wrong in-zone. i was more interested in your insight into the minds of Mexicans (living in Mexico).
The name is MOHillbillyWoman. I really don't know where you were educated but MO stands for Missouri. Thanks.
 
Old 07-29-2007, 09:45 AM
 
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That’s pretty much it; I’d only add that the Mexican Army is fighting drug traffic and violence in central and southern states as well.

Yes they are. They are also arresting any and all illegals that are founf in Mexico.
 
Old 07-29-2007, 01:49 PM
 
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The name is MOHillbillyWoman. I really don't know where you were educated but MO stands for Missouri. Thanks.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiight. well, sorry about that MOHIllbillyWoman......if that is your real name.

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