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You know I've noticed something when I watch those 'house flipping' and home improvement shows on tv. If you pay close attention, though they don't pan the camera in that direction, it would appear to me that many of the workers look as if they're illegal immigrants. It's not only large corporations who are hiring them, it's individuals who are making a profit on their labor. You might want to stay away from places where a lot of new construction or 'flipping' is taking place.
In rural upstate NY, closer to the Canadian border, I have only seem one or two who appeared to be illegal. They stand out in a 99% white city. Apparently there had been a dozen or so working one of the local farms but they were picked up right away and shipped off by the Border Patrol.
How in the hell can you tell the legal status of someone you see on tv? Simply because they're not white?
This forum is amazingly stupid. It's all about economics, people. Illegal immigration is already down significantly, not only because our own economy is a mess, but because economies where most of the illegals come from are improving. Meaning that, for the most part, it's always been about employment and some semblance of a better quality of life. Not to impregnate your women, commit crimes, or lower property values. And the whole moving thing to get away from them... really? Are people that afraid?
This forum is amazingly stupid. It's all about economics, people. Illegal immigration is already down significantly, not only because our own economy is a mess, but because economies where most of the illegals come from are improving. Meaning that, for the most part, it's always been about employment and some semblance of a better quality of life. Not to impregnate your women, commit crimes, or lower property values. And the whole moving thing to get away from them... really? Are people that afraid?
Well, wouldn't want you to have to continue posting in a "stupid" forum, now would we? Educate yourself on the true negatives of illegal immigration then get back with us. In the meantime, buh, bye.
This forum is amazingly stupid. It's all about economics, people. Illegal immigration is already down significantly, not only because our own economy is a mess, but because economies where most of the illegals come from are improving. Meaning that, for the most part, it's always been about employment and some semblance of a better quality of life. Not to impregnate your women, commit crimes, or lower property values. And the whole moving thing to get away from them... really? Are people that afraid?
People know that. It doesn't matter why the government or corporations are allowing illegal immigration. What DOES matter is that the things you mentioned such as "lower property values" and committing crimes ARE happening (among many other negative effects). Just because those things weren't the results that were desired doesn't mean people shouldn't do what they can do to fight against massive illegal immigration.
So, basically, what you said is voided. Who cares about the motives when the actual results are what matters? Of course we care about the motives, but what's happening on the streets is what touches people more.
Well, wouldn't want you to have to continue posting in a "stupid" forum, now would we? Educate yourself on the true negatives of illegal immigration then get back with us. In the meantime, buh, bye.
There are negatives to all types of immigration. Let's be honest, though, there is far more outrage of *who* is illegally immigrating than that illegal immigration occurs, at least on this forum. I mean, would people be making threads about running away from neighborhoods and cities if the illegal immigrants were English? No f*cking way.
I do think illegal immigration should be reduced as much as possible, but I am also a person of empathy and rationality, and having experienced extreme poverty and having lived in Mexico teaching English, I also have a different perspective than many Americans. Serious criminals should absolutely be sent packing, but I see no reason why we can't reform our policies to make it easier to get people registered into the system and paying taxes. I would support a fine system, a requirement to learn English, being able to pass a comprehensive civics test, and stay out of legal trouble for a certain length of time. Mass deportation would severely hurt our economy and is not a viable option. Nor are laws that are largely based on racism and hysterical stereotypes.
People know that. It doesn't matter why the government or corporations are allowing illegal immigration. What DOES matter is that the things you mentioned such as "lower property values" and committing crimes ARE happening (among many other negative effects). Just because those things weren't the results that were desired doesn't mean people shouldn't do what they can do to fight against massive illegal immigration.
So, basically, what you said is voided. Who cares about the motives when the actual results are what matters? Of course we care about the motives, but what's happening on the streets is what touches people more.
In regards to the pro-illegals that claim we need to increase our quotas for legal immigration and give amnesty to millions of illegals, I was just watching the news and an economist (I believe, not sure) said that we need to create 200,000 new jobs just to keep up with our population growth.
Edit: 200,000 new jobs "per month".
Last edited by chicagonut; 08-04-2011 at 04:25 PM..
People know that. It doesn't matter why the government or corporations are allowing illegal immigration. What DOES matter is that the things you mentioned such as "lower property values" and committing crimes ARE happening (among many other negative effects). Just because those things weren't the results that were desired doesn't mean people shouldn't do what they can do to fight against massive illegal immigration.
So, basically, what you said is voided. Who cares about the motives when the actual results are what matters? Of course we care about the motives, but what's happening on the streets is what touches people more.
Except that I am able to see people individually. If an illegal immigrant (or ANYONE) commits a serious crime, I think we can all agree that they need to be held accountable. However, like every other group, the number of criminals is going to be relatively low to the overall population. I am not arrogant or self-righteous enough to blame all for the actions of a few. Anecdotal, but I have known many many Hispanics here, some legal, some not, and none of them were serious offenders beyond their legal status (most were just visa overstays). In fact, Hispanics in certain areas have actually helped turn neighborhoods around by starting multiple small businesses.
I think most of the negativity is related to the drug trade along the US-Mexico border. Obviously a very serious problem, but Americans themselves are the biggest consumers of illegal drugs anywhere, and we need to take responsibility for our part in that violence. The "War on Drugs" is a total failure by any reasonable account. This problem is not going to go away so long as we don't address our own issues.
In regards to the pro-illegals that claim we need to increase our quotas for legal immigration and give amnesty to millions of illegals, I was just watching the news and an economist (I believe, not sure) said that we need to create 200,000 new jobs just to keep up with our population growth.
Most of the jobs lost in the latest recession were not menial, low-paying factory jobs or food-industry that most illegals are involved with. High-pay, professional jobs in government, education, etc are what is truly needed. Illegals don't really have anything to do with this, like it or not.
Most of the jobs lost in the latest recession were not menial, low-paying factory jobs or food-industry that most illegals are involved with. High-pay, professional jobs in government, education, etc are what is truly needed. Illegals don't really have anything to do with this, like it or not.
Wait, what? The working class was by far the most affected group in this recession.
In regards to the pro-illegals that claim we need to increase our quotas for legal immigration and give amnesty to millions of illegals, I was just watching the news and an economist (I believe, not sure) said that we need to create 200,000 new jobs just to keep up with our population growth.
Edit: 200,000 new jobs "per month".
Good luck with those being created, huh?
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