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Old 01-26-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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Remarks by the President in State of Union Address | The White House

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One last point about education. Today, there are hundreds of thousands of students excelling in our schools who are not American citizens. Some are the children of undocumented workers, who had nothing to do with the actions of their parents. They grew up as Americans and pledge allegiance to our flag, and yet they live every day with the threat of deportation. Others come here from abroad to study in our colleges and universities. But as soon as they obtain advanced degrees, we send them back home to compete against us. It makes no sense.

Now, I strongly believe that we should take on, once and for all, the issue of illegal immigration. And I am prepared to work with Republicans and Democrats to protect our borders, enforce our laws and address the millions of undocumented workers who are now living in the shadows. (Applause.) I know that debate will be difficult. I know it will take time. But tonight, letís agree to make that effort. And letís stop expelling talented, responsible young people who could be staffing our research labs or starting a new business, who could be further enriching this nation. (Applause.)
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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Lol this is a regurgitated speech he said before that why should we deport the potential Einsteins among us? Yeah right Sorry for him but the vast majority of these anchors will grow up to be poor. Poverty breeds poverty for the most part. In Joe Wilson's words, you lie!
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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What about the hundreds of thousands who are not excelling in school, talented or responsible?
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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What about the hundreds of thousands who are not excelling in school, talented or responsible?
That's OK !!!

Obama seems to forget that these "special people" have Rapists,Pedophiles,Gang Bangers,Taggers,Murderers and other Criminals as family members that if given Citizenship they will support and bring even more over ILEGALLY.

Obama is just another Hispandering,Lying TRAITOR !!!!
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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Seems too many people don't realize, it's the responsility of the 'illegal' alien parent to come into this country 'legally'. It is 'they' and not the government that puts their offspring in possible deportation threats.
If they brake the law and they are not even citizens yet, how can you expect them to be law abiding citizens if allowed to stay. They are not respecting 'our' laws.
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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So, if you click the link, you will see the transcript of the entire State of the Union, but the parts in bold stand out to me the most. The same thing keeps happening with how politicians, including The President, speak publicly about illegal immigration. They say things that have not been proven to be a fact or that are generalizations. They say them in hopes to butter up the American people into thinking we need illegal immigrants.

The first thing is the concept the President presented about how illegal immigrants "pledge allegiance to our flag." First of all, the concept of pledging allegiance to the U.S. flag has seen a decrease in its presence over time even amongst young students who are U.S. Citizens. Secondly, there are many, if not the majority of illegal immigrants who do NOT pledge allegiance to the United States. A survey conducted about two years ago showed that the majority of residents in this country, legal and illegal and of Mexican descent (the largest group of illegal immigrants) pledge allegiance to their native country, not the U.S.

So, how is it that the President can say that they pledge allegiance to our country when in fact the majority of those who would benefit from some immigration reform would be Mexicans who pledge allegiance to Mexico? To me, it is very basic and simple, common sense, illegal immigrants in the majority are NOT pledging allegiance to the United States. When they are pledging allegiance to the United States, it is only when they are rallying or pleading for amnesty or immigration reform.

The second thing that I bolded is the comment about how we send people back to their native country after they acquire an advanced degree. First of all, it is the opportunity of that legal foreign student to apply for an extended stay and if they can't do so, they are able to reapply later. Basically, if a legal foreign student really wanted to stay in this country and work, they have the opportunity to make it happen. Secondly, just who is sending them home? Is the President talking about illegal immigrant students? Well, I don't see him sending them home. One other thing I want to add is how he claims that "we send them back home to compete with us." Well, Mr. President, what do you say to American companies that are sending jobs to places like India and China?

The third thing bolded is the President's use of the term "illegal immigration." Seeing him, The President, use this term, is it safe to say that all journalists and other politicians now have the continued go ahead to use that term as well? These groups have been calling for the end of that term, even Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor had asked for the government to stop using the term. Well, it appears that The President didn't get the memo. So, it's obvious to see that the term "illegal immigrant" and "illegal immigration" is a term that even our President can't deviate from because it is a legit term.

I bolded the "Applause" because I wonder just who is applauding. Are the people applauding only the ones who voted for things such as The Dream Act? Are they people who are also clueless about what illegal immigration is really about? Who could applaud for those things? The applause was also very weak and it seemed that people were only applauding on cue for that one. So, I feel that many in that room were still uncertain about how they feel on this issue.

The last quote to be bolded is about what President Obama sees in the future for the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. I wonder if he ever thought about the fact that most of those students will not become researches, doctors, lawyers. In fact, even if they did become those things, aren't there legal students here that could and would do the same? What makes an illegal immigrant student so much more of a prized worker than the legal U.S. resident? Won't some of these people that the President grants amnesty just for completing two years of military service or higher education end up in poverty? Isn't it just a cold fact that all of those people will not give more to the treasury than they are taking out? So, then, why are these politicians so stuck on this point of how they somehow all will grow up and be great scientists that will contribute to our country? Once again, don't we have our own hundreds of thousand that are working to do that?

The President is someone that I respect, a lot. But, he is slipping on this topic of illegal immigration (there are other things as well, lol). Everything he says about it is without facts, it is his opinion and he is asking Congressmen and Americans to vote in favor of illegal immigration based off of dreams and hopes for them. Also, The President's speech begin to contradict itself when he talked about illegal immigration. What he does is say all of these beautiful things about America taken care of America and how we are a great nation with opportunities, but then he does this talk about giving to illegal immigrants: the same illegal immigrants that pledge allegiance to Mexico and have strong ties to Mexico or whatever country they are from. How can he go from such a patriotic Pro-U.S. talk that seems to be emphasizing a better life for Americans to talk about giving, giving and more giving to illegal immigrants from countries that care less about them?

Lastly, he speaks to the audience earlier in the speech about education and how young people should choose their careers wisely. Well, what is the point of all of that when you as a young person or just a person in a career knows that our country is giving illegal immigrants the opportunity to compete with you, to essentially make it harder for you to receive quality education and then to take on a career?

Does the President really think about these things before he says them?
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Here is the video for you all too: State of the Union 2011 | The White House

30:25 is when the topic of illegal immigration begins.


The problem that I have with President Obama's take on illegal immigration greatly deals with his contradictory approach to it. You can't stand in front of a U.S. Congress and preach about how the U.S. is going to prosper and return to great economy for "Americans," and then talk about giving illegal immigrants an opportunity to take opportunity away from legal Americans. It doesn't make sense and it is obvious that he is trying to appeal to two sides.

The odd thing about his State of the Union speech in relation to illegal immigration is that all of the things he wants to see improve in the United States will not improve if we legalize millions of illegal immigrants and if we don't start caring about Americans first (as he tries to present the idea of).

Also, one other thing: You are not an "American" just because you live in the United States of America. They throw that term "American" around so easily. Just a person lives here does not mean they are an American or they pledge an allegiance to us. People use and abuse this country. They are here for themselves and that's it. They want the American money, the American safety of life and the American lifestyle. They could care less about this country. But, our politicians and President want to cater to them.
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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SOS if you know what I mean.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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What about the hundreds of thousands who are not excelling in school, talented or responsible?
They're the ones Ca's Baca has thought up the PROUD act for LOL No requirement for college or military service in that bill.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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Here is the video for you all too: State of the Union 2011 | The White House

30:25 is when the topic of illegal immigration begins.

The problem that I have with President Obama's take on illegal immigration greatly deals with his contradictory approach to it. You can't stand in front of a U.S. Congress and preach about how the U.S. is going to prosper and return to great economy for "Americans," and then talk about giving illegal immigrants an opportunity to take opportunity away from legal Americans. It doesn't make sense and it is obvious that he is trying to appeal to two sides.

The odd thing about his State of the Union speech in relation to illegal immigration is that all of the things he wants to see improve in the United States will not improve if we legalize millions of illegal immigrants and if we don't start caring about Americans first (as he tries to present the idea of).

Also, one other thing: You are not an "American" just because you live in the United States of America. They throw that term "American" around so easily. Just a person lives here does not mean they are an American or they pledge an allegiance to us. People use and abuse this country. They are here for themselves and that's it. They want the American money, the American safety of life and the American lifestyle. They could care less about this country. But, our politicians and President want to cater to them.
Good post! I see you caught the hypocricy in Obama's statement in regards to jobs and other opportunities for Americans also. How do you do that while legalizing millions of illegal aliens that will limit the opportunities for Americans?

You're right on as to what it truly means to be American in the heart also. It isn't about calling other American's racists for desiring law and order and secure borders. It isn't just about your ethnic group and most of all it isn't about rewarding illegal aliens of your ethnic group with our precious citizenship. You're not an American just because you jumped our borders for economic gain either.
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