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Old 01-28-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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We'll call this undocumented expectant mother "Laura." She says her children deserve to be Americans, and she feels they shouldn't be penalized because she chose to cross the border illegally.
This is such a load of BS as further in the story it says her husband is a USC which means her children would be USC even if the laws were changed, so I have to ask, what exactly is the point of this article?

Illegal Mother: My Unborn Child Deserves Citizenship (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/illegal-mother-citizenship-1-27-2011?obref=obinsite - broken link)
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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So they know "Laura" is an illegal but they are not arresting and deporting her?

An illegal in her native country would probably not be sitting brashly with reporters and requesting citizenship.

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Old 01-28-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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She says in the article that her husband is an American citizen, I assume he is the Father of this child. Under the law the child has the right to American citizenship because the Father is an American.

I don't believe that people should be rewarded for breaking the law by handing out American citizenship as a housewarming gift.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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So it is penalizing her unborn/newborn by denying them citizenship? What about making the child a citizen of the mother's homeland or is that considered to be a penalty?

However, I have no problem with a newborn being made a citizen of our country if at least one parent is a citizen.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:44 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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, what exactly is the point of this article?
It was a Fox affiliate attempt to put a human face to the new bills. The FOX reporter mistakenly made it sound like the unborn child would not be a citizen because the mother is an illegal. The father is a citizen so that is not the case.

The text of two recently submitted Arizona bills is here:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1309p.htm
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1308p.htm

ARTICLE II
DEFINITION
AS USED IN THIS COMPACT, "SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES" HAS THE MEANING THAT IT BEARS IN SECTION 1 OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, NAMELY THAT THE PERSON IS A CHILD OF AT LEAST ONE PARENT WHO OWES NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY, OR A CHILD WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP OR NATIONALITY IN ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMPACT A PERSON WHO OWES NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY IS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN OR NATIONAL, OR AN IMMIGRANT ACCORDED THE PRIVILEGE OF RESIDING PERMANENTLY IN THE UNITED STATES, OR A PERSON WITHOUT NATIONALITY IN ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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She says in the article that her husband is an American citizen, I assume he is the Father of this child. Under the law the child has the right to American citizenship because the Father is an American.

I don't believe that people should be rewarded for breaking the law by handing out American citizenship as a housewarming gift.
The Child[when born here] has that RIGHT now...why wait for a law?

The 14th amendment to the US Consitution-

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside...
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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The Child[when born here] has that RIGHT now...why wait for a law?

The 14th amendment to the US Consitution-

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside...
My point is that even if that law were repealed (I think it should be by the way) this child would be an American citizen because the Father is an American. Please don't misunderstand, I don't support illegal immigration nor do I think this law is in the best interest of our country. I believe it encourages people to break our laws.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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It was a Fox affiliate attempt to put a human face to the new bills. The FOX reporter mistakenly made it sound like the unborn child would not be a citizen because the mother is an illegal. The father is a citizen so that is not the case.

The text of two recently submitted Arizona bills is here:
Format Document
Format Document

ARTICLE II
DEFINITION
AS USED IN THIS COMPACT, "SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES" HAS THE MEANING THAT IT BEARS IN SECTION 1 OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, NAMELY THAT THE PERSON IS A CHILD OF AT LEAST ONE PARENT WHO OWES NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY, OR A CHILD WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP OR NATIONALITY IN ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMPACT A PERSON WHO OWES NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY IS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN OR NATIONAL, OR AN IMMIGRANT ACCORDED THE PRIVILEGE OF RESIDING PERMANENTLY IN THE UNITED STATES, OR A PERSON WITHOUT NATIONALITY IN ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY.
This is AZ's definition of Article I...not any[definition] given by any court.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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My point is that even if that law were repealed (I think it should be by the way) this child would be an American citizen because the Father is an American. Please don't misunderstand, I don't support illegal immigration nor do I think this law is in the best interest of our country. I believe it encourages people to break our laws.
currently there is no law on the books stating that a child born to one American citizen parent is an American citizen; so why would there be a need to repeal it?
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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currently there is no law on the books stating that a child born to one American citizen parent is an American citizen; so why would there be a need to repeal it?
When I said repeal, I meant the law stating that any child born in the US has a right to American citizenship.
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