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Old 02-08-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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Border authorities arrest 31 illegal immigrants wading ashore along San Diego County coast | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
How secure is the coast when this is happening with increasing frequency?
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: SELA
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Coastal (and border) security would not be an issue if there was not a demand for covert cross points. That is an artificial demand manufactured by the denial of entry to aspiring migrants at authorized border checkpoints. Ergo, when that artificial constraint is removed, the demand for covert cross points will decline, and will primarily exist among people involved in illicit activities, such as contraband smugglers.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Coastal (and border) security would not be an issue if there was not a demand for covert cross points. That is an artificial demand manufactured by the denial of entry to aspiring migrants at authorized border checkpoints. Ergo, when that artificial constraint is removed, the demand for covert cross points will decline, and will primarily exist among people involved in illicit activities, such as contraband smugglers.
There is nothing stopping workers from crossing existing entry points "legally". If they can afford to pay to be smuggled in at a few thousand dollars a trip they can afford to do it legally.

My condolences if it was a family member.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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Coastal (and border) security would not be an issue if there was not a demand for covert cross points. That is an artificial demand manufactured by the denial of entry to aspiring migrants at authorized border checkpoints. Ergo, when that artificial constraint is removed, the demand for covert cross points will decline, and will primarily exist among people involved in illicit activities, such as contraband smugglers.
And if they start giving away brand new cars we can cut the auto theft rate. Let everyone (with or without accounts ) get all the money they want from the ATM's and people wouldn't be robbing banks...
let's just do away with all laws, then we'd have NO crime rate. tada! problem solved.
The problem is not that we don't accept enough legal immigrants. The problem is that illegals and their supporters will never accept any number as 'enough'.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Some Beach... Somewhere...
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Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
lololol
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: SELA
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There is nothing stopping workers from crossing existing entry points "legally". If they can afford to pay to be smuggled in at a few thousand dollars a trip they can afford to do it legally.
There are thousands of dollars exchanged for the service of wading through the ocean around a coastal fence? I don't think you'd make a very good coyote.

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My condolences if it was a family member.
My family members would probably have their Mescalero tribal ID's on them, and wouldn't be subject to deportation. I'd try to explain to you, but probably only New Mexican Apaches could understand.

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And if they start giving away brand new cars we can cut the auto theft rate. Let everyone (with or without accounts ) get all the money they want from the ATM's and people wouldn't be robbing banks...
let's just do away with all laws, then we'd have NO crime rate. tada! problem solved.
The problem is not that we don't accept enough legal immigrants. The problem is that illegals and their supporters will never accept any number as 'enough'.
This is a pointless comparison because theft is a crime of moral turpitude. Unless you can demonstrate that wading through the water or walking across one side of an invisible line in the dirt to the other is a crime of moral turpitude, your comparison is fallacious.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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And if they start giving away brand new cars we can cut the auto theft rate. Let everyone (with or without accounts ) get all the money they want from the ATM's and people wouldn't be robbing banks...
let's just do away with all laws, then we'd have NO crime rate. tada! problem solved.
The problem is not that we don't accept enough legal immigrants. The problem is that illegals and their supporters will never accept any number as 'enough'.
You're exactly right. There are billions of impoverished all over the world that would probably like to come here if they could. We have to draw the line somwhere or we would be committing national suicide. That is why we have quotas for LEGAL immigration so that we only take in the number of immigrants that we can supply jobs and resources for while keeping in mind our population growth also.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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This is a pointless comparison because theft is a crime of moral turpitude. Unless you can demonstrate that wading through the water or walking across one side of an invisible line in the dirt to the other is a crime of moral turpitude, your comparison is fallacious.
Just a thought....invisible doesn't equal meaningless.
Do you own property? real estate? Your property lines are just as invisible. Are you ok with a few hundred trespassers setting up housekeeping on your land? At your expense?
I think your logic is fallacious. Folks with decent morals don't trespass.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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You're exactly right. There are billions of impoverished all over the world that would probably like to come here if they could. We have to draw the line somwhere or we would be committing national suicide. That is why we have quotas for LEGAL immigration so that we only take in the number of immigrants that we can supply jobs and resources for while keeping in mind our population growth also.
Emigration from Mexico specifically has been amplified because of the enactment of trade agreements that adversely affect the rural agrarian population, such as the provision for cheap corn imports to devastate the historically powerful maize industry in southern Mexican states. "Free trade" is a policy at odds with the development of the United States and the other trade powers of the world, in which infant industries were carefully protected until they had matured sufficiently to be competitively viable. The necessary task is therefore the creation of fair trade agreements that do not compel rural and then national flight. There would not be an inordinate demand for employment within the United States if not for the artificial creation of unemployment within Mexico.
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