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Old 02-09-2011, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It obviously does not work. If it did there would not be 10 million illegals here.

"Step up" costs money. Propose it and see how far it gets.

Your solutions are pretty much silly. The illegal can survive off the books and downtrodden. It is still a lot better than rural Mexico.

If that should change many will go home. But that change is a tall order.

Probably our best hope though. So pray hard.
Had our laws actually been enforced (as promised with the last amnesty), we wouldn’t have untold millions of illegals. They are here because the Feds have permitted them to violate our laws with impunity. The same applies to their greedy, unscrupulous employers.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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...... The money would be much better spent on other crimes that hurt people. The DA never has the option of prosecuting all...no place near the required resource. So he sorts.
So you don't think that identity theft by illegal aliens to gain false documents to work in the US harms people?
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Old 02-09-2011, 09:15 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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So you don't think that identity theft by illegal aliens to gain false documents to work in the US harms people?
Sure. Any real identity theft by anyone should be prosecuted. Now the illegal picks a set of numbers that align with a deceased person in Sheboygan? Nope. No crime.

But uses their credit? Their name? Sent them up for a while.

I believe that has been the finding in the courts. Just picking numbers that happen to belong to someone is not a crime. Attempting to steal someones identity is.
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Old 02-09-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sure. Any real identity theft by anyone should be prosecuted. Now the illegal picks a set of numbers that align with a deceased person in Sheboygan? Nope. No crime.

But uses their credit? Their name? Sent them up for a while.

I believe that has been the finding in the courts. Just picking numbers that happen to belong to someone is not a crime. Attempting to steal someones identity is.
Even if they use a “real” SSN they won’t be prosecuted, unless they “knowingly” use it. Of course, none will admit to knowingly using another’s identity. And, those so-called fake numbers may actually be an issued number or future issued number. SSN identity theft is not a victimless crime, and the Supreme Court ruling which provides this loophole is a travesty.
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Old 02-09-2011, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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To get back on the topic of the OP...........these undocumented students apparently have nothing to fear from DHS even though they have blatantly "outed" themselves as living here illegally during their push to get the Dream Act passed.

I've heard over and over from the pro illegal advocates that "just being here illegally" isn't a crime, it's "just a civil offence", yet I find this.............

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Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
So please tell me again how entering the USA illegally is "not a crime" ?

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Old 02-09-2011, 09:56 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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So then what do we have exactly here, a no no win situtaion to nowhere. We will never be able to rid ourselves, of this hole that our Govenment and us the people have dug for ouselves. Something should have been done a long long time way before now, when this situation, is full blown, and getting only worse.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Even if they use a “real” SSN they won’t be prosecuted, unless they “knowingly” use it. Of course, none will admit to knowingly using another’s identity. And, those so-called fake numbers may actually be an issued number or future issued number. SSN identity theft is not a victimless crime, and the Supreme Court ruling which provides this loophole is a travesty.
That is what I always say about court decisions I don't care for.

Unfortunately the courts don't appear to care.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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To get back on the topic of the OP...........these undocumented students apparently have nothing to fear from DHS even though they have blatantly "outed" themselves as living here illegally during their push to get the Dream Act passed.

I've heard over and over from the pro illegal advocates that "just being here illegally" isn't a crime, it's "just a civil offence", yet I find this.............



So please tell me again how entering the USA illegally is "not a crime" ?
Six months old lack the will to act in violation of the law.

And your source that none of these dreamies entered legally?
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:18 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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So then what do we have exactly here, a no no win situtaion to nowhere. We will never be able to rid ourselves, of this hole that our Govenment and us the people have dug for ouselves. Something should have been done a long long time way before now, when this situation, is full blown, and getting only worse.
Well at least the Mexican part will peak in less than 15 year and be gone in a generation after that. .

Let us hope no other group gets such a grip.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:34 AM
 
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What's more expensive, paying for more LE, including ICE officers, or providing social services for millions of illegal aliens through their anchor babies for a minimum of 18 years for each child?
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