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Old 02-10-2011, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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They will wait for a Dream Act. Virtually certain in the next 10 years.

In the interim we continue to force the development of a gray economy without proper tax withholding and such.

It is actually pretty dumb but we insist on our constitutional right to be stupid.
Are you sure you arenít DA User from DAP?

The DREAM Act will NOT pass, and we WILL rid our country of this scourge.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:32 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Please visit post #17, in which you responded to my ďtravestyĒ comment, by stating the following. . .



Whatever the cost, it is far less than we are currently paying annually to support illegal aliens and their anchor babies.

And, we donít have to deport all. We simply need to enforce our laws, and make their lives a living hell. Most will leave without taxpayers spending a dime.
You used travesty not I. I agreed that we all whine about court decision that we don't like.

Your cost arguments are of course nonsense. In general the illegals are far cheaper than their replacement...whoever that may be. And of course they will be replaced. The society does not function without maids and landscapers.

So economics is one of the counter arguments for leaving the illegals and not having an amnesty. Costs too much if you make them legal.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Thatís your prerogative. Unlike you, I donít consider a law a travesty simply because itís a law "I donít care for.Ē I consider this law a travesty because it makes a mockery of our judicial system, and gives preferential treatment to illegal aliens. It absolves them of the CRIME of SSN ID theft/document fraud by justifying their motives, notwithstanding the fact that they commit the crime to violate additional laws. After all, it is ILLEGAL for them to work in this country -- a fact the Supreme Court obviously ignored.

Name one law in which a citizen can commit a felony and be ďforgivenĒ if they claim they committed the crime to support their family. Even more absurd would be a law that absolves citizens of the crime of drug trafficking if they did so to save enough money to open a call girl operation (of course to support their family). Thatís essentially what the Supreme Court ruling does. It allows illegal aliens to commit ID theft and fraud to obtain illegal employment. If that isnít a travesty, I donít know what on earth is.

DREAMies are illegal aliens, period. When caught, they should be deported, not coddled or applauded. We donít have provisions in our immigration laws for illegals who entered our country prior to adulthood. Hence, the law should be enforced accordingly.
Thank you once again, this law does make a travesty out of our judicial system. Once again your right!
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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They will wait for a Dream Act. Virtually certain in the next 10 years.

In the interim we continue to force the development of a gray economy without proper tax withholding and such.

It is actually pretty dumb but we insist on our constitutional right to be stupid.
They can wait all they want it ain't gonna happen 10 or even 20 years from now.

If Americans were given the jobs that these illegals are holding the proper tax w/h would be taken from their paychecks.

What is stupid is not pulling out all the stops to rid our country of illegal aliens and ideally by allowing them to leave voluntarily by making their lives miserable as Benicar pointed out.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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You used travesty not I. I agreed that we all whine about court decision that we don't like.

Your cost arguments are of course nonsense. In general the illegals are far cheaper than their replacement...whoever that may be. And of course they will be replaced. The society does not function without maids and landscapers.

So economics is one of the counter arguments for leaving the illegals and not having an amnesty. Costs too much if you make them legal.
No, their replacements (citizens and legal immigrants) would actually be cheaper when you factor in all the social costs of illegal aliens. Oh, Americans have never been maids or lanscapers? Do tell!
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You used travesty not I. I agreed that we all whine about court decision that we don't like.

Your cost arguments are of course nonsense. In general the illegals are far cheaper than their replacement...whoever that may be. And of course they will be replaced. The society does not function without maids and landscapers.

So economics is one of the counter arguments for leaving the illegals and not having an amnesty. Costs too much if you make them legal.
So, itís nonsense to incur a one-time cost, rather than an annual cost of billions?
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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No, their replacements (citizens and legal immigrants) would actually be cheaper when you factor in all the social costs of illegal aliens. Oh, Americans have never been maids or lanscapers? Do tell!
Exactly! Plus, if they canít afford to operate within the law, they donít deserve to remain in business.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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No, their replacements (citizens and legal immigrants) would actually be cheaper when you factor in all the social costs of illegal aliens. Oh, Americans have never been maids or lanscapers? Do tell!
Nope. See CIS study on amnesty. One reason that they caution against amnesty is the vast increase in social service costs. They point out that illegals are vastly cheaper in that area than natives or legals of similar socio-economic status. So if you replace the illegals the local social service cost goes up a lot.

Look it up...CIS is on your side of this discussion.

You could of course argue that no one else will be let in and natives and present legals will fill those jobs. Maybe. But you still got to move a half million or so people from elsewhere to LA and the social service costs in LA will take a big up as a more eligible population moves in.

Things may get better in rural Alabama or Georgia though.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Nope. See CIS study on amnesty. One reason that they caution against amnesty is the vast increase in social service costs. They point out that illegals are vastly cheaper in that area than natives or legals of similar socio-economic status. So if you replace the illegals the local social service cost goes up a lot.

Look it up...CIS is on your side of this discussion.

You could of course argue that no one else will be let in and natives and present legals will fill those jobs. Maybe. But you still got to move a half million or so people from elsewhere to LA and the social service costs in LA will take a big up as a more eligible population moves in.

Things may get better in rural Alabama or Georgia though.
Hogwash! Illegal immigration is a HUGE tax burden, and CIS isnít advocating the status quo. They are merely stating a fact, that if legalized, even more will be added to our welfare rolls.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:17 PM
 
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You used travesty not I. I agreed that we all whine about court decision that we don't like.

Your cost arguments are of course nonsense. In general the illegals are far cheaper than their replacement...whoever that may be. And of course they will be replaced. The society does not function without maids and landscapers.

So economics is one of the counter arguments for leaving the illegals and not having an amnesty. Costs too much if you make them legal.
Illegals cost the country $113 billion annually. They pay $13 billion in taxes. Net cost is $100 billion each year.

I fail to see how they are cheap in any way.
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