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Old 02-09-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Immigration agents have been instructed to focus on arresting immigrants who are convicted criminals, implicitly steering away from students without criminal records. When students do get caught, officials are using executive powers to postpone or cancel their deportations, they said.
Seems the Dreamies had it right with their signs stating "undocumented and unafraid"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/us...tion.html?_r=3

and I have news for THIS one..............Australia doesn't welcome illegals either and his chances of gaining a legal visa after living in the USA illegally are zero to nil.
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Combined with his new exposure as an illegal immigrant, he said, those limitations sometimes sink him into depression. He has even considered moving to Australia.
“You know, the thing is, I just don’t feel welcome here,” he said. “You cannot live as an undocumented immigrant.”
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Old 02-09-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Seems the Dreamies had it right with their signs stating "undocumented and unafraid"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/us...tion.html?_r=3

and I have news for THIS one..............Australia doesn't welcome illegals either and his chances of gaining a legal visa after living in the USA illegally are zero to nil.
The system has a very limited capability particularly for those who are willing to put up a defense.

So you get rid of the criminals and ignore the locally grown.

Perfectly sensible strategy.

I suppose you folks could double or triple the size of iCE. Be fun to watch the Repubs try and sell that in the year of cuts.
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Old 02-09-2011, 05:35 PM
 
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The system has a very limited capability particularly for those who are willing to put up a defense.

So you get rid of the criminals and ignore the locally grown.

Perfectly sensible strategy.

I suppose you folks could double or triple the size of iCE. Be fun to watch the Repubs try and sell that in the year of cuts.
Who is ignoring the locally grown criminals? Criminals are criminals whether they be citizens or foreigners. They should be sought after equally. Some government expenses cannot be avoided such as LE expenses and that would include ICE also.
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:13 PM
 
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Nice... the featured criminal received a full scholarship from her school. How is this even possible?
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Who is ignoring the locally grown criminals? Criminals are criminals whether they be citizens or foreigners. They should be sought after equally. Some government expenses cannot be avoided such as LE expenses and that would include ICE also.
They are certainly not criminal. They may not even be illegal. They violated no US law. They are deportable...but can resist reasonably well. May be possible to deport them but they will use the system meaning it will cost to do it.

I hate to tell you this...but all LE is cost limited. I personally was involved in a case of clear felonious forgery where the DA refused to prosecute because it would be too expensive and the victims had the capacity to pursue their cause in civil court...no way the DA was going to spend 20% or so of his budget to defend a group of rich investors against one of their own.

He was right by the way. The money would be much better spent on other crimes that hurt people. The DA never has the option of prosecuting all...no place near the required resource. So he sorts.

Propose your vast expansion of ICE. It is too small by a factor of at least 5 and perhaps 10 if you think it has the charter of removing the US illegal immigration population.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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They are certainly not criminal. They may not even be illegal. They violated no US law. They are deportable...but can resist reasonably well. May be possible to deport them but they will use the system meaning it will cost to do it.

I hate to tell you this...but all LE is cost limited. I personally was involved in a case of clear felonious forgery where the DA refused to prosecute because it would be too expensive and the victims had the capacity to pursue their cause in civil court...no way the DA was going to spend 20% or so of his budget to defend a group of rich investors against one of their own.

He was right by the way. The money would be much better spent on other crimes that hurt people. The DA never has the option of prosecuting all...no place near the required resource. So he sorts.

Propose your vast expansion of ICE. It is too small by a factor of at least 5 and perhaps 10 if you think it has the charter of removing the US illegal immigration population.
Enforcement of our immigration laws does work. It just needs to be stepped up. Illegal immigration does hurt the American people in the way of jobs, resources, taxes and an increase in our crime rates. Catching and deporting illegal foreigners should be a priorty when considering LE costs. Ideally, removing all incentives to come here or remain here would be even more cost effective. Changing birthright citizenship, denying benefits and implementing e-verify would deter future illegal immigration.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Enforcement of our immigration laws does work. It just needs to be stepped up. Illegal immigration does hurt the American people in the way of jobs, resources, taxes and an increase in our crime rates. Catching and deporting illegal foreigners should be a priorty when considering LE costs. Ideally, removing all incentives to come here or remain here would be even more cost effective. Changing birthright citizenship, denying benefits and implementing e-verify would deter future illegal immigration.
It obviously does not work. If it did there would not be 10 million illegals here.

"Step up" costs money. Propose it and see how far it gets.

Your solutions are pretty much silly. The illegal can survive off the books and downtrodden. It is still a lot better than rural Mexico.

If that should change many will go home. But that change is a tall order.

Probably our best hope though. So pray hard.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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It obviously does not work. If it did there would not be 10 million illegals here.

"Step up" costs money. Propose it and see how far it gets.

Your solutions are pretty much silly. The illegal can survive off the books and downtrodden. It is still a lot better than rural Mexico.

If that should change many will go home. But that change is a tall order.

Probably our best hope though. So pray hard.
They were able to enter our country in the first place because our borders haven't been secured but internal enforcement does work when LE hands aren't tied by so-called racial profiling laws. Workplace raids also work. Taking away incentives to remain here or to continue to come here would also reduce illegal immigration to within manageable numbers.

What is silly is rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to stay here through another failure of an amnesty or legalization or CIR or whatever the current PC language is nowadays.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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They were able to enter our country in the first place because our borders haven't been secured but internal enforcement does work when LE hands aren't tied by so-called racial profiling laws. Workplace raids also work. Taking away incentives to remain here or to continue to come here would also reduce illegal immigration to within manageable numbers.

What is silly is rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to stay here through another failure of an amnesty or legalization or CIR or whatever the current PC language is nowadays.
If you have enough cops you can police the system. We have no where near enough cops. So you either increase the number of cops or get the number of perpetrators down where the cops can handle it. To dig out the existing set of perpetrators would require an excess of police...because they have been here for years and are well able to avoid the police contact.

Talk sense...not "would it not be nice if they decided we don't like them and they went home".

This is not rocket science....
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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If you have enough cops you can police the system. We have no where near enough cops. So you either increase the number of cops or get the number of perpetrators down where the cops can handle it. To dig out the existing set of perpetrators would require an excess of police...because they have been here for years and are well able to avoid the police contact.

Talk sense...not "would it not be nice if they decided we don't like them and they went home".

This is not rocket science....
No, it wouldn't take many additional police officers. All it would take is for them to be able to check immigration status during a routine traffic stop if the suspect doesn't have valid I.D. aka sb1070. I don't think we need to increase our police force to do that as they would only be doing what they are doing now except for being able to probe into status IF they don't have valid I.D.
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