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Old 02-12-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Do you EVER research topics prior to attempting to refute a post? It would certainly behoove you to do so in the future. Federal law mandates E-Verify for ALL federal government contractors, with a few exceptions. The last time I checked, the VA, including VA hospitals (the thread topic), falls under the purview of the federal government, whether located in Florida or any other state.

U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs




USCIS - For Federal Contractors

Again, if you bothered to do a simple Google search, you would know what “evidence” I’m referencing. It will only take you a few minutes to locate numerous articles regarding illegals working at our airports and military installations.
Effective only on contracts signed after September of 2009. Would almost certainly not apply to the subject property.

Note that the VA also leases back custom facilities. Would not apply there either.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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Effective only on contracts signed after September of 2009. Would almost certainly not apply to the subject property.

Note that the VA also leases back custom facilities. Would not apply there either.
This is a current project, and would indeed require E-Verify. We are also not discussing leased properties, as they do not necessarily involve government contracting. In the DC area, it is commonplace for the government to lease office space. However, unless the organization is engaged in government contracting, E-Verify would not be required.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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This is a current project, and would indeed require E-Verify. We are also not discussing leased properties, as they do not necessarily involve government contracting. In the DC area, it is commonplace for the government to lease office space. However, unless the organization is engaged in government contracting, E-Verify would not be required.
Nope. Read the rules again...see the eVerify site. That project was let in 2008 and is not covered and will not be covered as it does not have the eVerify clause in the master contract.

Sometimes the VA hospitals are built without government ownership of the property. So it does not follow that a VA hospital will be covered.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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Nope. Read the rules again...see the eVerify site. That project was let in 2008 and is not covered and will not be covered as it does not have the eVerify clause in the master contract.

Sometimes the VA hospitals are built without government ownership of the property. So it does not follow that a VA hospital will be covered.
Would you mind sharing a link to the master contract? The ownership of the property is irrelevant. The salient point is, whether the contract for construction is with the government. Given that this is a contract for a VA hospital, and ALL VA hospitals are government facilities, it would definitely require the contractor to comply with E-Verify.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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Would you mind sharing a link to the master contract? The ownership of the property is irrelevant. The salient point is, whether the contract for construction is with the government. Given that this is a contract for a VA hospital, and ALL VA hospitals are government facilities, it would definitely require the contractor to comply with E-Verify.
I don't feel the urge to dig for the contract but groundbreaking was in Oct of 2008.

From the eVerify site...



The final rule applies to solicitations issued and contracts awarded after the applicability date of the final rule in accordance with FAR 1.108(d). The final rule will become applicable to contractors on September 8, 2009. All employers, including federal contractors, may enroll in E-Verify at any time without waiting for the applicability date. Under the final rule, employers are required to enroll in E-Verify if and when they are awarded a federal contract or subcontract that requires participation in E-Verify as a term of the contract.

If you wish to enroll in E-Verify before the applicability date of this rule you may do so now. Enrolling now may help you become familiar with the system and may make it easier for you to use E-Verify if and when you are awarded a federal contract. Verification of employees through E-Verify is limited to new hires only, unless you are a federal contractor who has been awarded a contract on or after September 8, 2009.

If you have already enrolled in E-Verify and you are awarded a federal contract after September 8, 2009, you will need to update your company profile through the “Maintain Company” page once the contract has been awarded. Once you designate your organization as a federal contractor, all E-Verify users at your company will need to take a federal contractor tutorial that explains the new policies and features that are unique to federal contractors.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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I don't feel the urge to dig for the contract but groundbreaking was in Oct of 2008.

From the eVerify site...



The final rule applies to solicitations issued and contracts awarded after the applicability date of the final rule in accordance with FAR 1.108(d). The final rule will become applicable to contractors on September 8, 2009. All employers, including federal contractors, may enroll in E-Verify at any time without waiting for the applicability date. Under the final rule, employers are required to enroll in E-Verify if and when they are awarded a federal contract or subcontract that requires participation in E-Verify as a term of the contract.

If you wish to enroll in E-Verify before the applicability date of this rule you may do so now. Enrolling now may help you become familiar with the system and may make it easier for you to use E-Verify if and when you are awarded a federal contract. Verification of employees through E-Verify is limited to new hires only, unless you are a federal contractor who has been awarded a contract on or after September 8, 2009.

If you have already enrolled in E-Verify and you are awarded a federal contract after September 8, 2009, you will need to update your company profile through the “Maintain Company” page once the contract has been awarded. Once you designate your organization as a federal contractor, all E-Verify users at your company will need to take a federal contractor tutorial that explains the new policies and features that are unique to federal contractors.
In other words, you are not privy to their contract, and have no idea what it entails. The posted info regarding E-verify does nothing to substantiate your claim.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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In other words, you are not privy to their contract, and have no idea what it entails. The posted info regarding E-verify does nothing to substantiate your claim.
Sure it does. It says the eVerify clause went into contracts awarded after September of 2009. And neither the prime or subs are required to eVerify unless they have the clause. Read the facts on the eVerify site...they make it clear.

You are ignoring the obvious because it fails to align with your preconception.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Sure it does. It says the eVerify clause went into contracts awarded after September of 2009. And neither the prime or subs are required to eVerify unless they have the clause. Read the facts on the eVerify site...they make it clear.

You are ignoring the obvious because it fails to align with your preconception.
No, the truth is, you have manufactured this contract, period.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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No, the truth is, you have manufactured this contract, period.
Actually you turn out, against your best try, to be partially correct. There are in fact five separate contracts at least two of which would appear to have the eVerify clause.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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Actually you turn out, against your best try, to be partially correct. There are in fact five separate contracts at least two of which would appear to have the eVerify clause.
Actually, your post is BS. Where’s the link to these contracts?
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