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Old 02-14-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It would cost a huge amount of money take a very long time and may not work.

But go ahead. Get your legislators to propose it. See how far it gets.

The country as a whole is simply not willing to undertake that venture.
For AT LEAST the fourth time, I ask, how will we fund the “new” laws if (according to you) we can’t afford to enforce the current?

 
Old 02-14-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I have never understood how anyone could seriously believe that rewarding criminal behavior is a viable solution for our illegal immigration problem. It defies any semblance of logic.
Yes it does and that carrot of 1986 (shamnesty) caused an increase in illegal immigration like nothing else. It was a dinner bell to the World.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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For AT LEAST the fourth time, I ask, how will we fund the “new” laws if (according to you) we can’t afford to enforce the current?


The cost of registering the present illegals is small. And the source of funding will be included in the laws passed. Likely cheaper than the cost of the new illegals who will arrive over the next ten years if we don't do anything.

The total cost of the proposition will be much smaller than any deportation attempt.

I would think a minimum of ten years to citizenship at which point some increase toward normal social service costs will occur.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The cost of registering the present illegals is small. And the source of funding will be included in the laws passed. Likely cheaper than the cost of the new illegals who will arrive over the next ten years if we don't do anything.

The total cost of the proposition will be much smaller than any deportation attempt.

I would think a minimum of ten years to citizenship at which point some increase toward normal social service costs will occur.
So, you think “registering” illegals is all that’s involved? What about the costs of conducting background checks, medical exams, visas, work permits, SSNs, monitoring for compliance, and fraud detection for their numerous aliases? And, you also think a nominal fee will cover these costs? We can’t even keep track of simple tourist visas. After all, a large percentage of illegal aliens are visa overstays.

It would cost far more to legalize illegal aliens than to enforce our current laws. Not to mention, they simply won’t benefit our country. However, when amnesty is your only agenda, nothing else will do.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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So, you think “registering” illegals is all that’s involved? What about the costs of conducting background checks, medical exams, visas, work permits, SSNs, monitoring for compliance, and fraud detection for their numerous aliases? And, you also think a nominal fee will cover these costs? We can’t even keep track of simple tourist visas. After all, a large percentage of illegal aliens are visa overstays.

It would cost far more to legalize illegal aliens than to enforce our current laws. Not to mention, they simply won’t benefit our country. However, when amnesty is your only agenda, nothing else will do.
Comeon. You charge the illegals for all that. There is no indication of any massive amounts of fraud. Find anything bad you throw them out.

And we hold off any costly benefits until citizenship...10 12 years.

The only big cost will be an increase in immigration enforcement to make sure we don't repeat 198X screwup.

Small compared to trying to dig out the existing population.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Comeon. You charge the illegals for all that. There is no indication of any massive amounts of fraud. Find anything bad you throw them out.

And we hold off any costly benefits until citizenship...10 12 years.

The only big cost will be an increase in immigration enforcement to make sure we don't repeat 198X screwup.

Small compared to trying to dig out the existing population.
And, will they pay in advance, or by monthly installments? Unless they pay in full in advance, we would NEVER get paid. Moreover, to cover all of those costs, we would have to charge amounts the average illegal could not afford. They whined when a measly $500 was proposed (DREAM Act).

No indication of massive amounts of fraud? You CAN’T be serious. Fraud is the hallmark of illegal immigration.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 04:27 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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And, will they pay in advance, or by monthly installments? Unless they pay in full in advance, we would NEVER get paid. Moreover, to cover all of those costs, we would have to charge amounts the average illegal could not afford. They whined when a measly $500 was proposed (DREAM Act).

No indication of massive amounts of fraud? You CAN’T be serious. Fraud is the hallmark of illegal immigration.
You are consistent. you get a reasonable answer and go off into the absolute inane.

Fraud is rare. Working off the books or even using phoney SS numbers is not fraud.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: US
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Sir, working off the books and using a Social Security number that is not your own IS tax fraud, tax evasion, failure to report income, an attempt to defraud the government, and possibly identity theft if the false SSN being used is someone elses. They are all criminal acts.

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You are consistent. you get a reasonable answer and go off into the absolute inane.

Fraud is rare. Working off the books or even using phoney SS numbers is not fraud.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 04:48 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Sir, working off the books and using a Social Security number that is not your own IS tax fraud, tax evasion, failure to report income, an attempt to defraud the government, and possibly identity theft if the false SSN being used is someone elses. They are all criminal acts.
Nope. Not neccessarily . sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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You are consistent. you get a reasonable answer and go off into the absolute inane.

Fraud is rare. Working off the books or even using phoney SS numbers is not fraud.
Tell it to the IRS.............
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