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Old 02-13-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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How come illegal aliens are overruning California and other states? How come the police departments don't arrest them? How come Obama isn't deporting them?
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:03 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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How come illegal aliens are overruning California and other states?
Border security is being improved but the the border still leaks. Illegal entry has shifted to the Arizona wilderness in recent years as border improvements (fence etc..) were first implemented in more populated areas.

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How come the police departments don't arrest them?
They don't have immigration enforcement authority nor local budgets or manpower to take on additional roles.
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How come Obama isn't deporting them?
The current administration is deporting more illegals that the previous administration - but budget and manpower issues mean that they can't chase everyone - and so they focus on the more dangerous and criminal elements. With bigger budgets and counterbalancing taxation more could be done.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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1990 my former boyfriend became a CHP in SoCal. Anyone operating a motor vehicle in a reckless or unsafe manner was fair game to be stopped.

A few years later orders came out of Sacramento to lay off the Hispanic community.

The CA government was part of the problem from early on.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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1990 my former boyfriend became a CHP in SoCal. Anyone operating a motor vehicle in a reckless or unsafe manner was fair game to be stopped.

A few years later orders came out of Sacramento to lay off the Hispanic community.

The CA government was part of the problem from early on.
Yes, all of the above examples of 2 sets of laws. One for illegals and one for Americans.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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Note; how many illegals are working with fake SS'#, or using another number, those illegals will not be able to collect UI or SSI/SSA, but employers are still paying and those workers are paying into funds they will not collect on, both of those funds are a house of cards now, and the government needs every dime of that money. If we start doing massive deportation of those illegals, those funds will pretty much collapse, believe me, when the government gets a report that "John Smith" SS# is working at both Taco Bell with name of Jose Rameriz, and "John Smith" Same SS# is working at Cal Tech, the government knows who the real person is, and who is the illegal using that SS#, and guess what, they won't do anything about it. "John Smith" does not even get a phone call that someone is using his SS#...think about it...
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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How come illegal aliens are overruning California and other states? How come the police departments don't arrest them? How come Obama isn't deporting them?
Who exactly would they arrest...and when. You're not saying that Police Officers should be going around asking folk if they are American citizens, and arrest those folk that say no...are you?
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:31 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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1990 my former boyfriend became a CHP in SoCal. Anyone operating a motor vehicle in a reckless or unsafe manner was fair game to be stopped.

A few years later orders came out of Sacramento to lay off the Hispanic community.

The CA government was part of the problem from early on.
So your saying that he told you his commander ordered him not to go after reckless and unsafe Hispanic drivers?
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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I understand the desire to have police check immigration status if they stop you for other reasons - but this power could be abused. Most citizens don't carry proof of legal residence (a drivers license doesn't count). The only people who do carry proof are illegals with fake documents and legal residents with valid documents . Authority to lock Americans up on suspicion of being illegal would become a tactic by police to hold criminal suspects without laying charges.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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Note; how many illegals are working with fake SS'#, or using another number, those illegals will not be able to collect UI or SSI/SSA, but employers are still paying and those workers are paying into funds they will not collect on, both of those funds are a house of cards now, and the government needs every dime of that money. If we start doing massive deportation of those illegals, those funds will pretty much collapse, believe me, when the government gets a report that "John Smith" SS# is working at both Taco Bell with name of Jose Rameriz, and "John Smith" Same SS# is working at Cal Tech, the government knows who the real person is, and who is the illegal using that SS#, and guess what, they won't do anything about it. "John Smith" does not even get a phone call that someone is using his SS#...think about it...
What happens when someone's SS number is being used by someone else and the legitimate holder of the number files their taxes the IRS will contact them that they didn't report all of their income (the income earned under their number by the one who stole it to work). So yes, they do get a phone call or letter from the IRS and it can cause them a lot of headaches to clear it up.

I can't grasp the mindset of people who keep using monetary gain as an excuse for illegal activity such you did above. SS would not collapse without what little contributions that illegals make to SS. If deported they wouldn't be able to take it with them and an American would replace them on their job and they would in turn be contributing to the SS fund.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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I understand the desire to have police check immigration status if they stop you for other reasons - but this power could be abused. Most citizens don't carry proof of legal residence (a drivers license doesn't count). The only people who do carry proof are illegals with fake documents and legal residents with valid documents . Authority to lock Americans up on suspicion of being illegal would become a tactic by police to hold criminal suspects without laying charges.
There will always be some abuse regardless of what laws are being enforced as there will always be cops who don't follow the letter of the law in doing so. They are however a minority. Most cops are not that way. Should we not enforce any laws because there "could be" some abuse? Isn't that like throwing the bathwater out with the baby?

A DL or green card is all that a citizen or legal immigrant has to carry with them as proof of residence and legality in this country. Not having one or the other of these forms of I.D. would be the only reasons for suspicion. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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