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Old 02-18-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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I suppose some on here will find rasicim involved here as well? Maybe global corporate multiculturalism or rasicm?

I watched my dad take a beating when his company was sent overseas along with pension funds and employee investment in the company.... My dad was union president and tried to do what he could to keep decent wages and benefits.... However, in the end the workers really had no say and the plant was closed down.... I watched as a bunch of Chinese workers were sent in to dismantle the plant and send it all out....

I had the same thing happen to me at another company wherein the employees were told the company was closing in two weeks, and we had to keep up production or get fired without severence pay....

Globalization and open border policy and practice allowed the govt/corporate entities to strip away private sector union power, and ship everything overseas with our tax dollars given out to corrupt corporations by the IMF corporate welfare program....

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I'm with ovcatto on this one. I don't see multiculturalism or even racism here. If there is someting good about capitalism is it's race neutral. The chinese are simply willing to work for less. They also have a fantastic work ethic.

How ironic that a socialistic country such as china is doing a better job of being capitalistic than america.......and it's unions. I can only wonder what marx would say about all this.

 
Old 02-18-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Yes, there should be a limit. There are immigrants that come and end up contributing, then there are those that come solely to be leeches.

Maybe there should be an application process and a list of requirements (learn and become fluent in English, attend classes in American civics and history, etc.) with a time limit, examinations, and certification. It may put a lot of those unemployed teachers back to work. You don't take the class, you don't pass the examinations, then you're not serious about being American, and you have to leave.

When my own great-grandparents came here from England and Wales 100 years or so ago, they took classes and became citizens (even though they already spoke English). Once they were on U.S. soil, they wanted to be Americans, period.
Nice sentiments. It was the same with mine. However, is it the same with all of our recent immigrants? Growing numbers of our latino immigrants seem to feel we don't belong here. I'm guessing they want us to move.

 
Old 02-18-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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I'm with ovcatto on this one. I don't see multiculturalism or even racism here. If there is someting good about capitalism is it's race neutral. The chinese are simply willing to work for less. They also have a fantastic work ethic.

How ironic that a socialistic country such as china is doing a better job of being capitalistic than america.......and it's unions. I can only wonder what marx would say about all this.

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:11 PM
 
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Without immigrants the US will die and become like Japan.No thanks, the US is a great country and immigrants are the History of the US, forever !

No complaints about immigrants.

What's best for the country though is legal immigrants and those that want to be Americans.
 
Old 02-18-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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The EPA and other such organizations are only pawns, and are usede as small part of the over all progressive agenda. Get rid of these agencies, and we will be a third world cheap labor dictatorship, too.... Me and many other have gotten sick on the job, and many became permanently disabled do to a companies failure to properly ventilate production line areas....

This is what I’ve been able to find and put together from my studies; 85% of all small businesses fails within the first year in our country as the result of a big hole being made in our economy from the big business, industry, manufacturing, small and mid-size farms being wiped out by global corporations and big gov’t working together in unison to empower and enrich each other. Currently our Gov’t takes in $2.2-trillion a year in taxes and spends three or four times this amount if not more per year. I’ve heard some very large figures for gov’t spending from different sources. How can anyone know?

Therefore, I find that 5/6 of all business revenues going through our communities ends up in the hands of the top 1-2% of our population. So, if your given stats stating that there are so many small businesses in our country at a certain point in time don’t you believe it! It is a shell game and a lie!

Furthermore, I find that it’s the American people who are made to pay for the businesses in this country going bankrupt and getting shipped overseas through high taxation, loss of jobs, loss of investments, cost of FDIC insurance, cost of IMF corporate welfare, cost of more social programs, and the cost of the hiring of more gov’t workers to control the unemployed.

I further find that the `powers that be’ who are taking control of us, our institutions, and our resources are calling all the shots. I call them `The Global, Corporate, Gov’t Socialist Party’. The Democrat and Republican parties have not existed for a very long time. Almost everything you hear or see from this entity and its collaborators is based upon lies and deception because the stakes are so tremendous, and anyone that thinks otherwise is in for a rude awakening….

Furthermore, I find that the global, corporate, gov’t socialists have stuffed trillions of our dollars into off shore bank accounts. This is how we got a hidden deficit of $65-trillion and an overt deficit of $12-trillion. This deficit money represents our jobs and investments that use to circulate in our communities keeping our economy strong and vibrant for our security and our children’s future. According to the Zogby poll there are now 1000 billionaires, or multi-billionaires I should add, in our country alone. Talk about greed and corruption!!!!

Basically, I find the previous figures equate to about the top 1% of the world’s population controlling 99% of all the wealth and resources globally. This top 1% has been known by different names just like the devil himself. I want to further note that with the stripping out of our private job sector that generates the real wealth and power in our country, and coupled with our Govt’s massive deficit spending, I really can not imagine how the American people are going to pay for anything more much less national health care.

In any event, I have also found that the American people can not compete with communist and socialist dictatorships that do not believe in a free anything and never will. This is where `our powers that be’ are taking us all globally; the ruling political body and their hired henchmen own and control the corporations, wealth, resources, weapons, and people. This is how these dictatorships are able to kill their people and work their people to death in prison complex societies (we have a few of these already) for little or nothing. This is how these dictators are able to take control of or wipe out our businesses, our jobs, our real estate, and our country. All I can say to you is welcome to the USSA….

My economics professor who was a retired corporate exec. said he did not have a clue as to how our economy kept going with the way it is presently working without completely collapsing. I stated that the corporate/gov’t crooks were using our deficit money machine to keep the economy going until they have completely stripped the real wealth and power away from the American people. This being done to own and control everything on a global scale. Once the crooks feel as though they have damaged us enough the economy will either completely collapse and the people revolt or a new totalitarian system will emerge. He agreed. I want to note here that the Marcos family of the Philippines set a good example of the political crooks I just described.

I also want to note that gov’t employee unions are the biggest unions in our country today. Big elements of these unions are health care companies, food service companies, super markets, and many other affiliated companies or businesses. Keep in mind the many different types of governmental agencies that are also a part of these unions and their affiliates. I do know that these gov’t unions contribute millions to both of the so-called political parties. They gave Bill Clinton about $22-million during his last campaign run at a dinner they held for him in Washington, Mr. Clinton stuffed it all into his bank account….

I find the problem with the shifting of the tax burden to the 98% of us in the lower-income brackets is that the gov’t employees, and them working in companies and jobs supported by govt subsidies are paying in most of the taxes (outside of the top 1-2%) since gov’t is now the biggest employer on all levels. So, how would you classify this type of trickle effect? Unconstitutional maybe?

Therefore, I find that the political and financial situation here in the US has intentionally, and artificially created the need for bigger gov’t to control and police us all. I found it to be pretty pathetic when a toll collector stated that he made eighty-grand a year collecting tolls, and that is about 12% higher than the highest paid private sector union worker (what’s left of them). Gov’t is the biggest employer with the biggest unions, and is also the best paying employer in our overall US job market, and that is unconstitutional.

Furthermore, I believe that if the US Gov’t unions would have stood together in unity with the private sector unions thirty years ago our country would not be in the shape its in now. I find the 70’s to be the vital time period of transition here in the US and the world at large. This is when our Gov’t and multi-national corporations first started to noticeably concentrate our wealth into their pockets by shipping the private sector jobs overseas en mass. However, it looks as though King George III is re-manning his army of henchmen….

However, lets not forget about the millions of so-called recent/modern legal immigrants (those with visas and commonwealth status) who are flooding across all our borders from all around our country at will with the full aid and support of our gov’t, and at our expense. I find that the US already had an established culture and a good-sized well established population until our Gov’t saw fit to carry out an all out domestic foreign invasion to bankrupt us, undermine us and our Democratic Republic….

One of my main concerns with the US ultra-liberal media networks and their personalities is that they all avoid the topic about the flood of legal immigrants into our country. The only exception to this rule of silence within the ultra-liberal media is to further promote the legalization of mass immigration in the rare instances that they mention it to any length….

Furthermore, I find that our Gov’t has allowed and assisted large segments of third world populations, such as Puerto Rico, to be transplanted into our already over-crowded and bankrupt communities. I find that our Gov’t believes it can give legal status to any person or country it chooses without any approval from the American majority. These corporate/gov’t crooks also believe that their legalization of such large numbers of immigrants justifies their subterfuge in the domestic foreign invasion they have sponsored with their deficit spending and higher taxation.

In my lack of private job sector community it is estimated that up to 90% of the people receive some sort of gov’t subsidies to keep a roof over their heads. This is not the American way of life and all the crooks in our Gov’t along with their global, corporate, socialist masters are responsible for where our nation is today….

I find that the Global, Corporate, Gov’t Socialist sponsored immigration invasion has left our cities, smaller communities, schools, hospitals, job market, jails, prisons, all over-crowded and, morally and financially bankrupt. Our communities are turned into third world socialized ghettos over night; boiling pots of cultural conflict and subversion.

I further found at the heart of our immigration problem that immigrants are not being brought in or let into our country in any type of controlled or moderated way. Controlled or moderated immigration is to make sure they are productively assimilated into our culture and our way of life as intended by our Founding Fathers. Rather, I’ve found that the immigration invasion taking place here in the US is the result of our corrupt gov’t working with multi-national corporations to rob us, gain full control over us, or destroy us. We need to take back our borders and our Gov’t before it is too late to do so, and hopefully it’s not?

Therefore, I believe that many of the modern/recent immigrants should be returned to their own countries so they can fight to make their home country their own like we had to do against King George III and his henchmen. It is said that history repeats itself….

Furthermore, I find that most people confuse necessary social functions that are beneficial to our over-all society with that of the un-constitutional concentration of wealth, power and control into the hands of the top 1-2% of our population. I’m sorry if you missed the seriousness in the plot and theme here. I will break it down even more for you and maybe you can get yourself a RED STAR….

So, let me find out your one of those monkey-god people who worship and serve the monkey gods within their monkey-god gov’t. I find that If you serve and worship the monkey gods good enough the monkey-god administrators will give you back some of the bananas they stole from you, your family and the rest of the monkey-god society. In the monkey-god kingdom you can kill all the monkey gods you want without any real consequence. You can also kill your monkey-god babies. After all, they are all just a barrel monkey gods. Or you can kill any monkey-god the monkey gods tell you it’s alright to kill. And hey, you can really monkey around with any monkey goddess you want any way you want. Just be careful you don’t get caught by the monkey-god police and end up in a monkey-god jail. Just imagine what they could have you do on the monkey-god bars? If it gets over-crowded the monkey-god guards will kill you and send you to their monkey-god heaven. Get the picture Mr. Progressive Liberal?

However, I find it apparent that comprehension among many Democrats and Republicans of what they hear and read is not one of their stronger traits. Their Democrat/Republican lens they view the world through clouds their higher cognitive ability affecting their ability to be objective towards things that run contrary to their Democrat/Republican self-indoctrination. Higher cognitive functionality is also found to be lacking in about 30-40% of the entire US adolescent and adult population. So they are not alone….

On the other hand, I find that I really do not trust third-party candidates who are switch-overs from either of the so-called two parties. I call them ringers using the third parties to undermine their true purpose and efforts. Recently, in home town elections all the same old candidates were running on all party tickets and it was strange to say the least. They just should have had one party listed for all us to vote from. The stranger yet was that no one said a word about it! Yep! Not one peep! It just goes to show how brainwashed and controlled people really are by the current dark regime controlling our country and its institutions….

The Global Corporate, Gov’t Socialist Party; I find what we really need to do is take back Our Gov’t, Country and Our Borders from these Fascist, Global Pirates before all is lost. This means that the real American people need some good old fashion community organizations with a strong leadership network (I’m not referring to Barack Hussein Obama and ACORN) being deeply embedded within in our own communities. I find this to be the only way for all of us to counter the terrorism we are forced to face daily from the Muslims, mass immigration, our own secular liberal gov’t, the ultra-liberal media, and the monstrously socialistic corporations….

However, I find that in a supposedly free country like our own we can’t even get our Supreme Court to uphold or enforce our Constitution, and thereby honestly serve the best interest of the majority its people. One good example of our failing courts lies in the fact that our Supreme Court refused to honestly prove to the citizens of our great nation the true immigrant status of our new president, Barack Hussein Obama, or his true anti-American activities, and /or his affiliations, the list goes on….

Now, I find it apparent that our Gov’t, Supreme Court and our other vital institutions have all been infiltrated by perverts, baby killers, progressively secular/liberal subversives or foreign religious sects, and other nefarious fringe elements who are attempting, through subterfuge, to legislate their will upon us and our children. Even modern-day television shows are all about how to be the perfectly normal, everyday, progressively secular/liberal thinking citizen; American role models as to how to think, act, and live out your every day secular/liberal life. We wonder why the divorce rate is so high? Might as well take a gun and blow your brains out all over the sidewalk. There is no God! So what difference would it make, anyway? Were all just a bunch of earthworms, monkeys, anti-christian, anti-America, and anti-God freaks from hell….

I find it regrettable that so many people are so defensive of Obama that they miss the all out attack on and challenge to our overall corrupt US political body who are lining their pockets at our expense right along with their corporate, socialist masters. Both of these malevolent entities are hell-bent on the complete destruction of our way of life and our country. Barack (Barry) Hussein Obama (Soetoro) just happens to be at the head of the serpent at this point in time wherein the historical bringing down of our Democratic Republic has been greatly excelled.

It is sad that so many people feel as though the American people need to trade-off their jobs, religion, freedom and their way of life for dependency on big gov’t social programs that are morally and financially bankrupt. You can’t eat an I.O.U….

Furthermore, I believe our overall progressively corrupt liberal gov’t and their secular corporate, socialist masters have devised and implemented unconstitutional and illegal trade agreements containing policies that are dead against the best interests of the American people. These illegal trade agreements and policies are used like the immigration invasion mechanism, and their wars of attrition for population control to completely rob, control, and destroy us and our unborn. All wars can be won if they are fought to be won. However, there are always losers in war, too….

I further believe the American people have to make the real change happen at voting time if that is possible. In the mean time we need to shut down the progressively secular/liberal, fascist media machine that tries to keep people voting for either a Democrat or a Republican. When in reality both parties are really the same in implementing their real agenda upon the American people and our Democratic Republic. Don’t get fooled again….

Therefore, I believe we need to make sure our constitution is enforced to protect our nation of people and our way of life. You can go to Russia with all the mis-guided liberal reasoning and see how it will fly over there? Here in the US it is the will of the majority of people who dictate the functions of our Gov’t to maintain civil rest. If a minority chooses to usurp the will of the majority to claim rights that never existed and were never meant to exist then social unrest will ensue. So, here we are….

PS: Now, I believe the Nobel prize has become a complete joke and a farce right along with the ultra-liberal people who issued it to Sheikh Obama solely to promote their own political bias and agenda on our world, and this does not bode well for the American people and their way of life.
I never thought that anyone muchless Obama who is nothing more than a run of the mill progressively secular ultra-liberal democrat with a menacing and shady back ground could get a Nobel prize for sophistry; except for maybe the devil himself….

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Old 02-18-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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But don't you know that if we legalize them all they will "pay taxes". Currently 52% of hispanics don't pay income tax, and in 1986 when Reagan legalized them it didn't work.

But maybe these illegals will be winners!! I mean eventually we have to find some that aren't screwed up.
 
Old 02-18-2011, 09:10 PM
 
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But don't you know that if we legalize them all they will "pay taxes". Currently 52% of hispanics don't pay income tax, and in 1986 when Reagan legalized them it didn't work.

But maybe these illegals will be winners!! I mean eventually we have to find some that aren't screwed up.
THis is what I don't get about the pro-illegals. They want the illegals legalized, but the companies don't, because they then lose their cheap labor. So what do they do? Hmmmm, oh I know! Import MORE illegals! Call me crazy, but I believe that was what happened when Reagan gave amnesty to the illegals here, and now we have more than 12 million illegals
 
Old 02-18-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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THis is what I don't get about the pro-illegals. They want the illegals legalized, but the companies don't, because they then lose their cheap labor. So what do they do? Hmmmm, oh I know! Import MORE illegals! Call me crazy, but I believe that was what happened when Reagan gave amnesty to the illegals here, and now we have more than 12 million illegals
That is a little bit different. In the 80s amnesty was granted because there were a slew of strict new regulations on companies that hired illegals. Amnesty was granted to prevent the 1 or 2 million lawsuits that would have occurred had the federal government tried to retroactively sanction employers who hired illegals prior to 1982.
 
Old 02-18-2011, 10:08 PM
 
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But maybe these illegals will be winners!! I mean eventually we have to find some that aren't screwed up.
Wow, I sure hope that is sarcasm.

If not that is a pretty warped way of looking at things.

I used to live in an area with lots of illegal’s, they would be the ones riding their bikes for miles in the middle of the night going to jobs that no one else would do. Even as the economy tanked, I never saw white guys riding at 3AM. I bet those screwed up people won't be taking off Monday with pay either.

I would rather have 10 of them here than one of you.
 
Old 02-18-2011, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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Wow, I sure hope that is sarcasm.

If not that is a pretty warped way of looking at things.

I used to live in an area with lots of illegal’s, they would be the ones riding their bikes for miles in the middle of the night going to jobs that no one else would do. Even as the economy tanked, I never saw white guys riding at 3AM. I bet those screwed up people won't be taking off Monday with pay either.

I would rather have 10 of them here than one of you.

YIKES!!!

Many people who use to do the work the immigrants are now doing are afraid because there are so many and many of these cheap labor immigrants are believed to be very violent....

Another reason for Americans not wanting to do the work no one else will supposedly do is the taxation of the cheap labor jobs, and under cover law agents on the farms trying to catch tax evaders and illegals....

Another reason is that in many of the production plants, factories, and construction companies that are left they have dismissed their regular community based employees and hired the legal and illegal cheaper immigrant labor.... And, you wonder why people are pissed off...

Another reason is that many jobs and farms no longer exist.....

This issue goes even deeper on its socioeconomic impact....

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